tobal bay.. island? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:31 pm

well look at these maps..
http://www.imperial-library.info/maps/EmpireOfTamriel.gif
http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/4403/tamriel9sz.png

do you know the name of the island to the south of cyrodill,, and do you know to which province it belongs??

i know the other island which lies out from the coast of anvil.. is named stirk.. but which province dose it belong too??

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 3:23 pm

Dont know it's name but it seems like Stirk belongs to Cyrodiil and the other one might be to either Cyrodiil or Elsweyr.

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:40 am

Those pictures point out Cyrodill.

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:46 am

yes,, but other pictures,, say that the one is topal bay,, is black marsh related..

- i have posted this in two other forums.. no one can answer this question so far..

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:25 am

Not both of them, one to Cyrodiil and one to Elsweyr.

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 3:19 am

Those Islands are coloured the same as Cyrodiil, that means they are part of Cyrodiil if those maps are lore true.

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:35 am

yes,, those maps, where not to for you to look at the colours,, but more of the island..

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:34 am

It's a bit hard to understand you.

But I would say that Stirk belongs to Cyrodiil and the other one to either Cyrodiil or Elsweyr or Black March all depending which one were there first. But then who knows at the moment.

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:02 am

i am sorry, if you cannot understand me..

those are mostly typing error..

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:21 am

Yeah I know, I can mostly understand you but it demands me to think more.

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:35 am

hehe, well,, i will tjek for errors before posting then,,.

anyway, about stirk ,, i think that it belongs to hammerfell, and the other island might be half cyrodiil and half black marsh,,

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:28 am

hehe, well,, i will tjek for errors before posting then,,.

anyway, about stirk ,, i think that it belongs to hammerfell, and the other island might be half cyrodiil and half black marsh,,

......tjek? :confused:

That island is indeed colored the same as Cyrodiil, therefor, it's Cyrodiilian territory.

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:23 pm

yes,, but even the orginal map by beth is totally clear about it..

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:46 am

......tjek? :confused:

He means "check", of course.

On topic: Perhaps they don't belong directly to any province. While not big enough to form provinces themselves, isn't it possible that they might have a semi-independent status?
Or perhaps it would rather be semi-semi-independent, as the provinces could allready be counted as "semi" on such a scale.

Kinda like how Solstheim did not belong directly to any neighbouring province, but was still under Imperial protection and an Imperial area?

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:58 pm

Everything in Tamriel is Imperial Territory. Which province it belongs to isn't really relevant unless there is something of value there. Natural resources,strategic strong point, or a significant group of people.

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 9:45 am

Naturally, an island infront of the mouth of the Niben is very important. It may have its own provencial government under direct control of an admiral or realy rich merchant family with their own navy. Who knows, go with something cool.

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:51 pm

Everything in Tamriel is Imperial Territory. Which province it belongs to isn't really relevant unless there is something of value there. Natural resources,strategic strong point, or a significant group of people.

It's a weak empire.

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:17 pm

It's a weak empire.

But there are plenty who want it's power structure intact (Helseth), anyway that has little to do with who technically owns the island (which is how maps are drawn).

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 3:48 am

But there are plenty who want it's power structure intact (Helseth), anyway that has little to do with who technically owns the island (which is how maps are drawn).

And who runs the place, and how taxes are handled, ect. It matters who owns everything.

» Fri Apr 01, 2011 9:28 am

Stirk obviously belongs to cyrodil in both maps. The other island is probably a contested point and has most likely changed hands over time (my lore-explanation for the disreprecies of the two maps). I'd go with whichever of the two maps is more current on that one.

Of course, after the O crisis, who knows?