So I remember not too long ago Peter molyneaux recieved a lifetime achievement award and it got me thinking.. If he got that what kind of recognition should todd howard get he always pushes the boundries and raises the bar with his games morrowind, oblivion, fallout 3 and now super epic skyrim come on give this guy his credit he deserves.. Im not trying to start a flame war but the peter molyneaux's games have never lived up to the hype all three fables were okay but they really never improved by leaps and bounds from one two and three. Fable 1 was great fable 2 was good and fable 3 was okay dont even get me started on bioware with mass effect and dragonage .....okay well i will mass effect was epic part 2 was great 3 who knows . Dragon age 1 was epic and part 2 was garbage.. Thank you Todd Howard and the rest of the team for being a true visionary in gaming and always releasing top games that raise the bar..What are your opinions on this be nice i just joined up and new to the site

BGS are the best in the industry.

I, too, think that TH and all at BGS are of the highest caliber. As far as awards go, every game they've released since MW has won numerous GOTY awards.

Welcome to the forums! =)

Play Neverwinter Nights. I would pretty much agree on everything though, Fable games are not great, there isn't any purpose without character-specific actions (i.e. a warrior who sneaks, casts and does everything he likes). But for RPG's definitely Bioware-Bethesda, nothing else exists or is worth playing...

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Im not a big RPG player myself. Ive played a few throughout my life, and its all the mainstream ones like Oblivion and Mass Effect and Fable. Pokemon too if those games count. But too me it seems the the ES series really caters to the Role Players more then the other ones. You can do whatever you want, and be who ever you want. In the other games you play as Generic White Male/Female. (Can you change your race in ME?) and thats it.

Baldur's Gate definitely. Party based adventures and Sci-Fi universes aren't really my kind of thing, I prefer Medieval-type worlds...

I respectfully disagree with the last statement and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldur%27s_Gate, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neverwinter_Nights, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Knights_of_the_Old_Republic and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jade_Empire.

I'd so like to work for them in the future. But they are so far from here lol. I'll prolly become a math teacher here instead and enjoy their games instead of being part of them

Bethesda is the best out there at making games so big and full of content they can be explored for hundreds of hours, and still make you want to do it again with another character. But I don't think they're the best at making RPGs. They have a lot of room to grow in that department. That's not a bad thing for me though, I don't play their games because they're RPGs, I play them because of the exploration. If I want to play a honest-to-goodness RPG, I'll look elsewhere.

Fallout 3 and Oblivion have also not lived up to their hype. And Bethesda never invented or re-invented a genre. Nope, not the same level as Moly.

This is pretty much how I feel about Bethesda's games. I don't play them for the RPG elements, I play them if I want to play a great action/adventure game. If I feel like playing RPGs, I'll play one of BI's titles.

That is true, especially for Oblivion. Dangling chains is not enough to make a good game.

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Exactly

I think that's the fault of those who allowed hype to sway their view of the game, no doubt much like will inevitably happen with Skyrim. I wasn't disappointed, because I kept my expectations low. I knew I wasn't getting Morrowind, and I enjoyed both Oblivion and Shivering Isles.

Edit: Also, by far the biggest problem with Oblivion was no Fargoth.

Well then you can say the same thing about any game which was overhyped, Molyneux's games included.

Fortunately I didn't have to deal much at all (one or two topics to ignore) with the release of many of his games on these forums, unlike Oblivion and FO3. It is ironic, however, how many people are singing a different tune now than shortly after Fable's release. I'm no fan, only shortly played PM's games, never owned, never saw a need to buy. Not for me.

Yeah. This.

In terms of making open world RPGs, Bethesda is miles ahead of the competition (though few other companies really try). But there are certainly areas of their games that aren't perfect and other game companies do better.

My thoughts exactly. I wish these companies were still around, though I guess Obsidian is the new Black Isle.

Obsidian, the new team of highly skilled writers and very ambitious designers, with horrible quality management for the tech behind it? No kidding. ^_^

I used to hold Bioware in higher regard than Bethesda, but that has completely changed with their latest batch of games. It's clear now they're not the company they used to be, and aren't interested in making the type of D&D-esque games I like to play. These are the same opinions as the lead designer of Dragon Age 1 (who had been around since the Baldur's Gate days) who left the company when the new direction for DA2 was set.

Wasn't a fan of Fallout 3, but so far there's not much I flat out disagree with in Skyrim.

Here's the thing, and I was thinking about this last night so glad to see this thread, Bethesda, with Todd Howard at the helm, doesn't just make great games, they make Worlds. Whole worlds...many whole worlds....and I just go wow. I'm so on board with that vision - to be able to do whatever I want in a game. It would be so much easier to go linear but they don't (thank you!). It takes so many talented and creative people and it's nice to see them come out and talk about it in the forums and in the interviews. (thank you agaiin) Not all creative people are so readily given to interviews so it's great to feel that they are so accessible and we hear a lot about what's going on...even if they hold back. They should hold back...we have a ways to go.

The best? Damn straight. No one else is making Worlds like they are.

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Yo, Peter, I'm real happy for you. Imma let you finish, but Bethesda makes the best games of all time. OF ALL TIME!