Props to you. That's all that matters.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Of course

Ones with a self-imposed sense of professional courtesy? He didn't keep laughing...

Care to elaborate?

Ok, I always thought causal gamer meant someone who cant spend large chunks of time in a game and didn't have time to figure out ever angle or feature of a game.

I think that's an extreme form of agreement, lol. Yeah knowing how to playing a game does not make you smart. Casual gamers could well do all those things. I don't get the hostility you have towards "casual gamers" though

Never heard of Starcraft?
Playing SC:BW or SC2 to pro-level is mega-hardcoe.

I was very impressed by Todd's candor in answering the question, and he clearly made no attempt to skirt around it. In the end, for any doubts I had about streamlining or the like, I am pleasantly persuaded. Skyrim will no doubt be a good game for me, and I'm happy with my pre-order.

Man that guy on the left is annoying.

Better than talk and promises are actual facts and features. Skyrim hasn't delivered much for oldschool RPG fans in that aspect, yet.

Agreed lol, his comments are always like 3 minutes long, I ended up skipping him for Ken and Todd's comments.

Not all, but think about all the kids.
While there are probably just as many "hardcoe gamers" on console like on PC, there are also a lot of additional "casual gamers" (and a lot more than on PC).
And many of those players actually can't handle some great games ... they loose interest, because the graphics might not be "high end" or because there's no action every 5 seconds. They might not even consider playing the game, if you have to remember more than 4 buttons. Etc.

Okay, only because they get money and Korean groupies. And if we want to expand the argument, hacking into government databases (either illegally or in the service of another government) is also pretty hardcoe.

But playing a single player game, where no money/competition/fate of nations is involved, can not be hardcoe. No matter how hard that puzzle box is to find.

There are a lot more causal gamers out there than there are hardcoe gamers,
thanks to the fact that more and more people play games as me move through
generations. The % of casual gamers will keep steadily increasing over the %
of hardcoe gamers. Therefore, the bigger money, is with the causal gamers.
The companies creating these games are in it for, you guessed right, the money.
Making profit. They might of started out guided more by passion for what they do,
because they are gamers too. But now when their companies are billion dollar
industries, the dollar dictates it all. Period! Don't fool yourself believing anything
else.

The risk with this is of course that we will see less and less games made for
the hard core gamers, than for the causal gamers. This means cutting out the
more hard core elements from their productions for simpler things. Prettiness
is one such thing. Examples of cutting out hardcoe things are, no spell-making,
no armor degradation. These type of changes can be seen in other games as
well. Especially in the MMO market of today. hardcoe gamers call it being
dumbed down, the others call it making games more accessible.

This trend all worries me since I consider myself a hardcoe gamer.

Why does he have such a potty mouth?

Because anyone can come up with a weak subjective reasoning as to why a feature was "superfluous". I can come up with weak subjective reasoning for the removal of nearly every feature in the game. The natural conclusion is that every feature is somewhat superfluous by someone's reasoning and could be removed if these are the reasons why they were removed.

So, the features that were removed in this iteration of the game were just the features that happened to be removed, not the features that absolutely had to be removed. Simply, it's very doubtful that with Skyrim, Bethesda has found the perfect balance of features and in TESVI there will be no further reduction in content.

So from point A. "This feature is [somewhat] superfluous" to point B. "All features are [somewhat] superfluous" is not that much of a stretch.



Stop arguing about the semantics of the word "hardcoe"; you have your imaginary definition and the dictionary has the one everyone else uses, leave it at that.

Some people here would go to the point of defending pink pony goddesses and lightsabers if Bethesda decided to include those in the game.

Yeah didn't he say he couldn't wrap his head around Oblivion and Red Dead Redemption? Now I know why I have never played God of War...

Lightsabers in Skyrim! :drool:

Over pink ponies? Blasphemer!

Beacuse not everyone has the same personality or way of expressing themselves? :ahhh:

Some of the older fans speak as if bethesda owe them something.....they owe them, fluff all in my opinion.

yeah but why :tongue:

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