So Todd & co. think head flying decaps is neat, but basi : V - Skyrim

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:19 pm

I believe Skyrim would be like the rest of the provinces and games of the TES series that didnt have brothels. That is my point, to add them and nudity in now would just seem out of place.

Would of seemed like the overall atmosphere of the game would of been taking a gigantic leap forward as far as being a believable world goes. Another area in where a milestone improvement had been made.

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:15 pm

Perhaps if people were shown more situations where a nvde person is not performing or inviting erotic activities it will be easier for people to think about it without sixual acts coming to mind.

All well and good until you realize that humans still have instinct, and reproduction/six is one of the most powerful instincts we have.

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:06 am

NL parents allow their teenage kids to have six freely, hence the low teenage pregnancy rates, the parents give them condems. This is a nightmare for most other countries in the world, morally.

It's the equivalent of saying "we can't control drug use, so lets just give them drugs" - youth suicide rates are up 50% in the last 5 years in NL, everybody is on antidepressants to deal with the depression that comes from dropping moral fortitude.

On the other hand, US gun death rates are dramatically higher than the rest of the world; same problem reversed.

So the logic stands:

Acceptable violence = more violence (obvious problem)
Acceptable free-for-all six = more six (problem, with not so obvious repercussions)

Actually... you are forgetting the major components of context and education. Giving a kid a knife and a condem and showing s/he that six and violence are acceptable without any guidance on the possible effects of everyone participating in situations they can get into is as bad as the lack of education about alcohol to minors in the USA.

Just saying that something is bad and not providing any context is as bad as not saying anything at all.

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:15 am

But think of the children!

Yes use the children to search the spaces you couldn't normally go in to!.

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:00 am

If you want nudity that bad get a girlfriend

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Some people obviously dont have children running around the house, i mean they wont be watching me play the game but if they come in during a scene involving "teh [censored]" it will be an awkward moment in fatherhood.

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:51 am

I think it's sad that the OP wants nudity enough to complain about this. Somebody is very frustrated.

... Annnnnnyway, it's not Bethesda's fault, nor is it "warped" as you suggest. It's just society. Due largely to our cultural histories (*cof cof* the Church *cof cof*) six is somehow considered to be immoral and evil. These are sad, odd people.

It has nothing to do with frustration. At least not of the sort I think you are offensively suggesting. Its not even that I personally want nudity all that badly. I just find the glaring juxtoposition of having emphasis on gratiuitous gore, while simutaneously playing coy or pseudo-pious about things like nudity is very disturbing.

I think it says something about the culture and the industry, and even the devs for being complicit, that making a special perk to knock an NPCs head off is touted by devs and cheered by players, yet the very word nudity gets the :confused: face from people. Its ridiculous.

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:32 pm

Would of seemed like the overall atmosphere of the game would of been taking a gigantic leap forward as far as being a believable world goes. Another area in where a milestone improvement had been made.

But it's a fantasy world. A world with magic, goblins and dragons wont seem believable unless it has nudity in it?

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:18 pm

Actually... you are forgetting the major components of context and education. Giving a kid a knife and a condem and showing s/he that six and violence are acceptable without any guidance on the possible effects of everyone participating in situations they can get into is as bad as the lack of education about alcohol to minors in the USA.

Just saying that something is bad and not providing any context is as bad as not saying anything at all.

I agree. six-ed in the US = here is a picture of a [censored], now a [censored], they go together.

At least NL explains the emotional relationship combined with the biological explanation.

For the vast majority you don't need to explain why violence is wrong, with six it is less obvious. If your daughter was a [censored], trust me, you would die inside (and so would she).

Ever date a European woman? Yeah ....

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:13 pm

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Some people obviously dont have children running around the house, i mean they wont be watching me play the game but if they come in during a scene involving "teh [censored]" it will be an awkward moment in fatherhood.

It is only awkward because of an instilled feeling of shame. It is just as important to explain the violence if they walk in during a fight.

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:12 pm

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Some people obviously dont have children running around the house, i mean they wont be watching me play the game but if they come in during a scene involving "teh [censored]" it will be an awkward moment in fatherhood.

I walked in on my dad playing Duke Nukem 3D, saw "areas" but I don't think any differently of my father, and if you really have a problem with it tell your children that when you are playing the game they don't need to come in.

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:51 am

It has nothing to do with frustration. At least not of the sort I think you are offensively suggesting. Its not even that I personally want nudity all that badly. I just find the glaring juxtoposition of having emphasis on gratiuitous gore, while simutaneously playing coy or pseudo-pious about things like nudity is very disturbing.

I think it says something about the culture and the industry, and even the devs for being complicit, that making a special perk to knock an NPCs head off is touted by devs and cheered by players, yet the very word nudity gets the :confused: face from people. Its ridiculous.

Then are the boards a good place for debates on morality or political nature? At this point it's not Skyrim related but rather focusing on the morality of men. Skyrim just happens to be the victim in your discussion.

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:22 pm

It seems to me like that's just whose in the media though. I really don't know a lot of people who are offended by nudity. Even my parents watch movies with nudity with no problem.

I lived in Alaska though. :celebration:

I've lived in the midwest most of my life, and here, even a lot of people who are politically liberal have an aversion toward nudity--The midwest, south, and plains states, which are predominantly conservative, tend to be very prudish.

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:06 am

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Some people obviously dont have children running around the house, i mean they wont be watching me play the game but if they come in during a scene involving "teh [censored]" it will be an awkward moment in fatherhood.

The thread is more concerned with nudity vs. gore than six vs. gore, though six is still not innately an ill and grusome violence certainly is.

That said, are you suggesting that your son or daughter walking in and seeing a pixilated person running across the screen with their buttocks out, is going to be a more awkward moment and a more disturbing event than having him or her walk in just as daddy's character is cleaving some random villagers head from his or her body?

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:58 pm

How very warped and disturbing.

Yes, yes it is, but here in the US with our bassackwards way of thinking about everything it is what it is. You can kill, maim, torture, mutilate, dismember, and decapitate till your heart's content but show a little side boob and and you are immoral and attempting to corrupt and debase the youths of the entire country. /shakeshead It is a pretty sad way of looking at things but until more folks in various lines of media, philosophy, and government start to risk more forward thinking attitudes I don't see it changing much.

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:44 am

I think it says something about the culture and the industry, and even the devs for being complicit, that making a special perk to knock an NPCs head off is touted by devs and cheered by players, yet the very word nudity gets the :confused: face from people. Its ridiculous.

Not when you look at it in terms of economics. A game full of nudity would be a much bigger turn-off to the primary US audience than a game full of gore. Simple numbers. Plus they're not as likely to attract negative press this way.

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:08 am

I've lived in the midwest most of my life, and here, even a lot of people who are politically liberal have an aversion toward nudity--The midwest, south, and plains states, which are predominantly conservative, tend to be very prudish.

I live in the midwest - we had a 'nvde bike ride' day city wide last month.

Nudity isn't a problem.

Promiscuous six is the issue, and most parents don't want their kids given the 'Witcher 2' sense of sixual morality.

Hence Skyrim keeps it clean.

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:48 am

Nudity is just as unnessesary as excessive gore. I'd rather have neither.

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:45 am

Then are the boards a good place for debates on morality or political nature? At this point it's not Skyrim related but rather focusing on the morality of men. Skyrim just happens to be the victim in your discussion.

Art inspires debate. Do you disagree that videogames are a form of art?

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:18 pm

Mild nudity would be fine if a little pointless, only really matters for some immersive animations to fill out the world, I don't think six is inherently linked to nudity but still is far shy a taboo as murder, but with that said i just think erect [censored]'s and decapitation in the same game is not a good mix :s

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:07 am

I've lived in the midwest most of my life, and here, even a lot of people who are politically liberal have an aversion toward nudity--The midwest, south, and plains states, which are predominantly conservative, tend to be very prudish.

Ah relgious fanatics the lot of them!

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:28 am

We will outlive the previous generations and their "morals" wait and see.

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:24 am

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Some people obviously dont have children running around the house, i mean they wont be watching me play the game but if they come in during a scene involving "teh [censored]" it will be an awkward moment in fatherhood.

My dad left playboys lying around. He is okay from it, I'm okay from it. As a kid, I never even cared about seeing a boob or male reproductive organ.

I don't really care if nudity gets put in or not, I just thought I'd add some of my own personal experience of this from a child's point of view.

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:17 am

guffaw. Don't you know anything? Little kids might go on a bloody killing spree at their schools if they were to see a woman's nipbles.

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:17 pm

Nudity is just as unnessesary as excessive gore. I'd rather have neither.

As would I.

» Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:07 am

It is only awkward because of an instilled feeling of shame. It is just as important to explain the violence if they walk in during a fight.

My thoughts exactly. It as simple as explaining that its what people do when they get older. Frankly I find it strange how people find it so hard to talk about a subject that the majority of people in their life will experience. While on the other hand, killing other people, which I hope no one would ever have to experience, seems to be normal and no one has a problem with it.

So Todd &#38; co. think head flying decaps is neat, but basi

So Todd & co. think head flying decaps is neat, but basi