You know what... The issue regarding the absence of nudity is not soely based on the morality. The issue is that it is a video game with limitations on goals; those being Story, Combat, and Treasure for TES. The reason that nudity is not in, is very related to the reason that spears, athletics, acrobtics, and spellmaking are not in; the devs are focused on the important aspects of the game, and nudity and six are as unimportant as making sure your horse leaves fecal droppings on the trail behind you as you travel. I will admit that the rating system is another motivating factor, but it is not the primary in my opinion. Every game, no mater how pormographic it is, is still a video game. If you want to see nudity, then go find it in real life. Real life will always be the best video game for that. So please have the devs focus on the more important things, I want to see spears return way before they get something in as unimportant as nudity. The fact that the books in the game reference six in explicit terms is immersion enough, period. And those that are obssessed with having nuddity and six in the game are probably just as messed up as those who vehemently oppose it on supposed moral grounds. I personally do not care if it is in or not, as long as I also get to keep the in-game choice of abstinence as well if I so choose.

TES videogames are for the combat and exlporation in a wierd world without the conesquence of death. If you want six, then go find it in the real world.

The morality isn't tainted on the revelation of sixuality. Morality is found in the choices regarding sixuality. There is a major moral difference between consensual fornication and [censored], and no one can win a debate against that. It is the duty of the older generartion to teach the younger one these things, rather than hide their sins in futility. So even though I agree on the point of hipocrisy, I do not think it is a valid argument for bethesda to sacrifice time and resources into its implementation.

When people are all be breaking into throes of ecstasy because they can lop someone's head off in the game, but then making the wtf face about the notion of the game having any aspect of nudity. . . then yes, the facepalm is definitely in order.

It is. And because of that, the behaviours and instincts that you support repressing by avoiding nudity, don't actually require any nudity to be activated.

Are people in ecstasy over decapitations? I haven't been here in a while.

But despite that, what does one gain from an ass or nudity in a videogame, if the game is not about nudity (or if the narrative doesn't require it to create a mood or something)? I general, I mean. What's the "profit"?

A perk for all the grisly desecrations of the slain that a quasi-psychotic heart could desire. Heads will fly and roll (a thing which no sane mind would ever hope to see in real life, and the sight of which has traumatized many a stout soildier). . . but bare buttocks that everyone has anyway, and that everyone on Earth knows the look of? Nah. That would be innappropriate :facepalm:

How very warped and disturbing. And before anyone starts spouting off about how basic, moderate nudity ( or frankly, in consideration of the new gore options, the lore related brothels and sensualist Religious Temples of Sanguine and Dibella) is superflous and innappropriate, I want you to stop and think about that contrast long and hard. . . a bare bum, versus someone's head being hacked off. Give it some SERIOUS thought, and then come back and give your comments on what is innappropriate, disturbing etc.

And this goes to the moderaters as well. I generally have great respect for our mods, but I cannot help noticing that there is a disproportionate heavy handedness on threads concering nudity etc. etc. but a MUCH more liberal hand towards threads of a violent nature. I know some of that is related to the fact that some forum members have a penchant for going overboard in their comments and being a little too graphic and purile. Nevertheless, it is a disturbing dichotomy.

I don't expect any alterations one way or the other, but I could not in good concience overlook this particular issue. It is interesting to see the devs behave with excessive sanctimony on an innocuous matter while evincing a casual satisfaction over grisly additives.

And for God's sake, don't bother to bring up the fact that the forums are for 13 and older. If you aren't mature enough to know that people have buttocks and to comment rationally on that fact of nature, then you certainly aren't mature enough to have ANY involvement in depictions of or discussions of decapitations. :verymad:

Its mostly a cultural thing. Not that Skyrim needs nudity but its amazing how much we tolerate violence in America (six Saw movies, really???) and freak out over anything sixual. I say be uncomfortable with violence and educated about six.

Interesting to note maybe, but I think the last time I saw complete nudity in a game, it was when I was looking at brutally beaten dead women in LA Noire.

It has nothing to do with the rating boards anymore. Nudity is M rated. They've had a few games in the past few years with floppy [censored] for jebus sake. Nudity, at this point in a game, has more to do with if the developer is comfortable with it and a lot of them shy away from it like it'll destroy them. I can see doing full frontal via no clothing on having issues do to players being able to manipulate dead bodies and the like though. That's about where I think it would kill it for this type of game. The older Conan approach of topless and g-string would get around it but that's still a bit awkward.

Just 2 primary examples but Red Dead had a topless women 'while' she was getting plowed directly on screen 'while' you talked with the guy who was giving it to her. And the more recent Noir game had an awful lot of naked dead women in it halfway through. Full frontal naked dead women. Hell a lot of that game was crazy messed up but that's kinda part of the job.

Anyways, point is, they aren't doing it cause they don't feel comfortable doing it, or there still scared of the rating board even though its accepted and would earn them the M rating they already have.

I personally think that they should have toggles for violence and nudity. Then everyone will be happy. I can choose to toggled both off while others may toggle both on. Would that make you content Ainur? I have a feeling that you are more frustrated with one being allowed but the other being taboo. I don't think you are saying that both are acceptable OR that both are unacceptable but rather confused by the expulsion of one but not the other. I understand that aspect and maybe a simple toggle would suffice. If parents are afraid of their kids or even teenagers getting their hands on nudity or violence then there should be password implementations to avoid the child becoming curious and switching it on. I wonder if that is something possible? Maybe a new movement in video games? I see no harm in a movement like that as it protects the rights and freedoms of all. A middle ground so-to-speak.

A believable world.

Especially since TES is all about creating a large, interactive world for you to explore. I can not believe that there would not be some skin shown anywhere, at any time within the province of Skyrim.

:rofl:

Edit: But anyways, i think nudity is just kind of lame having in a game. I feel like it's a cheap way to get people more interested :shrug:

A perk for all the grisly desecrations of the slain that a quasi-psychotic heart could desire. Heads will fly and roll (a thing which no sane mind would ever hope to see in real life, and the sight of which has traumatized many a stout soildier). . . but bare buttocks that everyone has anyway, and that everyone on Earth knows the look of? Nah. That would be innappropriate :facepalm:

How very warped and disturbing. And before anyone starts spouting off about how basic, moderate nudity ( or frankly, in consideration of the new gore options, the lore related brothels and sensualist Religious Temples of Sanguine and Dibella) is superflous and innappropriate, I want you to stop and think about that contrast long and hard. . . a bare bum, versus someone's head being hacked off. Give it some SERIOUS thought, and then come back and give your comments on what is innappropriate, disturbing etc.

And this goes to the moderaters as well. I generally have great respect for our mods, but I cannot help noticing that there is a disproportionate heavy handedness on threads concering nudity etc. etc. but a MUCH more liberal hand towards threads of a violent nature. I know some of that is related to the fact that some forum members have a penchant for going overboard in their comments and being a little too graphic and purile. Nevertheless, it is a disturbing dichotomy.

I don't expect any alterations one way or the other, but I could not in good concience overlook this particular issue. It is interesting to see the devs behave with excessive sanctimony on an innocuous matter while evincing a casual satisfaction over grisly additives.

And for God's sake, don't bother to bring up the fact that the forums are for 13 and older. If you aren't mature enough to know that people have buttocks and to comment rationally on that fact of nature, then you certainly aren't mature enough to have ANY involvement in depictions of or discussions of decapitations. :verymad:

This correlates directly - All it's going to take is one mainstream title to incorporate nudity, and the world will eat it up. Until then, the religious nuts are still in control and the conservative mindset remains supreme.

You don't think "and as an added bonus, we've thrown it, at half the price, a special bonus move that lets you knock the local tavern wenches head clean off if she doesn't get your order right the first time!" is not an equally cheap and far more disturbing gimmick?

It's a culture thing in the US. For whatever reason, we seem to think that being nekkid is a big no no, but mutilating your still living form and making you watch your entrails being pulled out and put on display is just fine. I've seen comments from folks in Europe who think just the opposite - that full frontal nudity on both males and females is no big thing, but gratuitous gore and violence is unthinkable.

Since Bethesda is a US corporation, they are beholden to the whims of US law on the issue. Which is also why the ESRB seems to have fits over nudity as well.