The exposed human body is bad, but the chopping off of heads and other violent acts aren't looked upon as badly. Its a strange world we live in. (Honestly, I think the gritty, more visceral combat with limb chopping and decaps will be a nice addition. The addition of nvde bodies in a video game won't likely happen, unless it can be done without an AO rating in my neck of the woods.) :tops:

I think it's sad that the OP wants nudity enough to complain about this. Somebody is very frustrated.

... Annnnnnyway, it's not Bethesda's fault, nor is it "warped" as you suggest. It's just society. Due largely to our cultural histories (*cof cof* the Church *cof cof*) six is somehow considered to be immoral and evil. These are sad, odd people.

Nudity definitely has its place in a game like this. It's ridiculous it can't be
added by default, but since things are as things are here in the US, it can't.
After all, this is a country where you can be sent out to handle multi-million
dollar equipment. Kill people in droves, get killed too. But still be considered
too young to go down to the bar and buy a beer?!?!?!?

Thanks (insert favorite deity here) for mods is all I have to say.

Yeah, and i know that the peoples on this forum isn't supporting nudity for titillation. But i don't think it fits the whole TES thing anyways. And as stated before, i feel like it's a cheap trick to get others intrested, and i feel the game kinda lowers in quality that way. But i definatly know what your sayin, just that i don't suppoert the idea :shrug:

There are definitely places for six in the taverns/brothels as well as in quests. six is a huge motivator - an unbelievable number of history altering events have all spun out of this basic desire. I am not talking about pormographic displays in screen (Beth's animations aren't up to the job anyway ). I am talking about points in the quest line where six plays a real part in the NPC's and possibly the player's actions.

Would make for a deeper game, but ain't gonna happen.

Why so much interest in nudity in games....
I really dont want to see any male parts so please keep nudity OUT.

To sum up this thread and every other thread on this subject.

If you are for nudity in games you are a perv.
If you are against nudity in the games you are a prude.

I know the ratings boards are predominantly presided over by very bass ackwards individuals. I know that our culure and society has long been very dishonest, disparaging, hypocritical, in denial, illogical and irrational in matters not only of actual sixuality, but even of basic nudity unrelated to any focal sixual overtures. And I know that our culture is very lopsided and backwardly warped in its balancing of six vs. violence on many levels. I don't blame the devs for that, but I do take issue with them feeding into the foolishness and kow towing so completely to it, even beyond the point of what would be required to keep their desired rating.

DOA 3 with a teen rating had some basic nudity scenes. Fable, as a franchise, has had brothels galore and skimpy outfits for the employees of those establishments (and keep in mind, it is generic partial nudity, not sixual content, which I mainly geared this thread towards, though in a thorough conversation, the brothels bear at least a passing mention), and all maintained their rating integrity.

It seems, therefore, to be a personal choice not entirely dictated by boards, ratings and standards, that the devs should include grisly execution options for the game, but treat nudity et al as some unapproachable taboo. And that has a disturbing subtext.

Some might ask why bother with any aspect of nudity etc., but the more obvious question in a game struggling to be ever more verisimilitudinous, is why go out of the way to avoid and ignore it whilst revelling in goreporm. And lets be honest, animations for explicitly graphic violence are done, at least in part, to cater to the disturbing bloodlust of a certain section of the audience. You have all seen some of the same posts and pleas I have, in which people seem to approach an almost sixual level of excitment. . . at the notion of having extremely graphic brutality. And the same people often turn around and act holier than though about inqueries over something as basic and frankly natural as partial nudity etc.

Something is rotten in The State of Denmark. And it isn't the bottoms. Its those rotting, impaled heads. :shakehead:

They would backpedal real quick on that if the ESRB slapped them with an AO rating, which would mean almost all major retailers wouldn't sell the game :laugh:

You'd like Daggerfall then. Women get boobs and men get the Ken doll.

I agree with hlvr, no nudity just for the sake of nudity.

I actually agree, to some extent. Things like implied six, or semi-nvde bodies and stuff is okay with me, but why is full nudity important to so many? I rather have decapitations(nothing major IMO, not like Fallout, and if it is optional I won't go for them) than nudity in TES since a large part of the game is based on exploration and with that comes combat since we all know Tamriel is a dangerous place.

Can someone please give a situation where nudity is required? I don't think it is any.

Edit: I agree with hlvr, no nudity just for the sake of nudity.

You can argue Todd's beliefs as he could argue yours. The truth remains that everyone is entitled to believe what they want in terms of morality and you can't change it.

Kids generally aren't going on violent murder sprees.

Kids will have crazy orgies in high school if they aren't instructed otherwise.

It's pretty basic actually, and makes a lot of sense. You control what is a problem.

It is a double standard of course, just that violence isn't really a problem for the vast majority, while six and the troubles that come with it are.

Sounds like lose/lose to me. In that case, gratuitous violence and gore it is then.

Couldn't disagree more. I'm a fairly liberal person when it comes to nudity and six and I couldn't care less if it was in Skyrim or not but if it was it would seem really out of place and add nothing of value to the game.

What are you saying? I live in the US and it is rated M. Shoot over to youtube and see if yourself.

This. In Germany violence is frowned upon, but nudity is ok. We even have TV commercials that show nvde women close up (for shower gel for example) and they show it no matter what time of day it is. We laughed about 'nipblegate'. But violence? In Half-Life (first part) they had to replace the human soldiers with robots and make their 'blood' green to be able to get a decent rating. Skyrim could have a nvde girls everywhere and still get a 16+ rating, but the decapitation feature will probably be a problem in Germany.

While the 'violence in computer games' discussion in Germany is pretty hysteric (they like to call shooters 'killer games' and blame them for school massacres) I also think that it absolutely doesn't make any sense how nudity is handled in the US. Especially in comparison to violence.

I heard that when Todd sees briasts in a game he says "BOOBIES!" and finds them distracting.

It is like saying Schindler's List should be an NC-17 movie because of nudity....

Sometimes the craziness allows me to understand how atrocities can be considered acceptable. People are using it as a way to deal with frustration, anger, and helplessness on a primal level. It has nothing to do with decency and everything to do with feeling control in a chaotic world.

Nudity in game is disgusting.

If I wanna see "buttocks", I'll look at my wife

Just remember what the MPAA says: Horrific, deplorable violence is okay, as long as nobody says any naughty words.

This thread reminds me a comic from "Scandinavia and the World" ...

I so totally agree with everything you say! This has been my biggest beef with the games in this series all along. But frankly speaking from personal experience, this imbalanced sense of allowing ever more detailed gore on the one hand and acting scandalized over exposed buttocks or briasts is for the most part a cultural bigotry of where the game originates. Fortunately there are Moders who will remedy that in short time, undoubtedly.
Anyone who really believes that today's 13 year old is not ready to see a naked bum lives in a monastery on top of a mountain.
Alas thanks to the rules that make society feel better and pretend these issues don't exist, the hands of game developers will continue to be tied.
We really should not be surprised that in a society that glorifies war decapitation in a game is acceptable and nudity is not.

Yah, I was trying to get at that. I was mostly joking about the internet stuff. I edited my post about 5 times in a row having left several things unfinished, and I point that out in it now.

It's easy to read between the lines of some post and see they are just uncomfortable with nudity.