Sounds like lose/lose to me. In that case, gratuitous violence and gore it is then.

This. In Germany violence is frowned upon, but nudity is ok. We even have TV commercials that show nvde women close up (for shower gel for example) and they show it no matter what time of day it is. We laughed about 'nipblegate'. But violence? In Half-Life (first part) they had to replace the human soldiers with robots and make their 'blood' green to be able to get a decent rating. Skyrim could have a nvde girls everywhere and still get a 16+ rating, but the decapitation feature will probably be a problem in Germany.

While the 'violence in computer games' discussion in Germany is pretty hysteric (they like to call shooters 'killer games' and blame them for school massacres) I also think that it absolutely doesn't make any sense how nudity is handled in the US. Especially in comparison to violence.

I heard that when Todd sees briasts in a game he says "BOOBIES!" and finds them distracting.

This.

Ratings boards have their collective heads shoved up their collective rears when it comes to "moral standards".

Does anything concerning the aesthetic look and feel of a game ever really add anything to a game ? Do freedoms over minor matters ever really matter ? Well the answer is yes, I prefer TES over many other fantasy titles because of how realistic and nice the scenery can be, where in a game such as WoW you may walk through hallways of screaming scarlet colors TES will give you a dark and dreary hallways of stone with cracks and flaws. Yet with all the attention to the feel and details of the game for some reason everyone wears the same pair of underwear and no one ever takes them off (in fact no one ever takes anything off which has been a small gripe of mine, those Imperial guards sure love sleeping in their armor...) which is totally unreasonable.

Adamus Phillida doesn't even go swimming in the nvde, he'd rather soak his only pair of underwear (at least if the lack of other underwear in his house is any indicator of that :facepalm: another problem with the feel of the game, everyone is in underwear but no one owns any spares...)

So yes, nudity would add to the feel of the game.

It's not just ratings boards, it's pervasive throughout American culture. We're a nation of warmongering prudes.

Kids generally aren't going on violent murder sprees.

Kids will have crazy orgies in high school if they aren't instructed otherwise.

It's pretty basic actually, and makes a lot of sense. You control what is a problem.

It is a double standard of course, just that violence isn't really a problem for the vast majority, while six and the troubles that come with it are.

It's easy to read between the lines of some post and see they are just uncomfortable with nudity.

What are you saying? I live in the US and it is rated M. Shoot over to youtube and see if yourself.

Nudity definitely has its place in a game like this. It's ridiculous it can't be
added by default, but since things are as things are here in the US, it can't.
After all, this is a country where you can be sent out to handle multi-million
dollar equipment. Kill people in droves, get killed too. But still be considered
too young to go down to the bar and buy a beer?!?!?!?

Thanks (insert favorite deity here) for mods is all I have to say.

It's a social double standard in general. I know most parents will let kids watch violent stuff, but never sixual stuff/porm.

For example - You can show death/violence on TV, but nudity for the most part has to be blurred or not shown at all.

The worst part is , this makes no sense. How is killing people worse than showing the human body, one is pain/suffering the other one is billions of years of evolved perfection :cryvaultboy:

I don't need Youtube. I've played the game. The nudity that is there is passable - but just barely - for maintaining an M rating. I'm referring to the six scenes which ARE censored and WOULD net an AO rating if they had been left in place for the US version. They probably just barely held the M because the nudity isn't gratuitous. It's only in very select situations that you don't require in order to finish the game.

Can someone explain how nudity will add any value to the game and where it would fit in? i.e. where would u expect to see nudity?

A perk for all the grisly desecrations of the slain that a quasi-psychotic heart could desire. Heads will fly and roll (a thing which no sane mind would ever hope to see in real life, and the sight of which has traumatized many a stout soildier). . . but bare buttocks that everyone has anyway, and that everyone on Earth knows the look of? Nah. That would be innappropriate :facepalm:

How very warped and disturbing. And before anyone starts spouting off about how basic, moderate nudity ( or frankly, in consideration of the new gore options, the lore related brothels and sensualist Religious Temples of Sanguine and Dibella) is superflous and innappropriate, I want you to stop and think about that contrast long and hard. . . a bare bum, versus someone's head being hacked off. Give it some SERIOUS thought, and then come back and give your comments on what is innappropriate, disturbing etc.

And this goes to the moderaters as well. I generally have great respect for our mods, but I cannot help noticing that there is a disproportionate heavy handedness on threads concering nudity etc. etc. but a MUCH more liberal hand towards threads of a violent nature. I know some of that is related to the fact that some forum members have a penchant for going overboard in their comments and being a little too graphic and purile. Nevertheless, it is a disturbing dichotomy.

I don't expect any alterations one way or the other, but I could not in good concience overlook this particular issue. It is interesting to see the devs behave with excessive sanctimony on an innocuous matter while evincing a casual satisfaction over grisly additives.

And for God's sake, don't bother to bring up the fact that the forums are for 13 and older. If you aren't mature enough to know that people have buttocks and to comment rationally on that fact of nature, then you certainly aren't mature enough to have ANY involvement in depictions of or discussions of decapitations. :verymad:

Some maybe, but I believe most think it is unnecessary to have nudity for the sake of nudity. Decapitations and some gore(not Fallout amount) would actually make sense since about 1/4 or 1/3 of the character building options are based around melee combat. I think that implied six and semi-nudity will be more than enough to cover most of the possible situations you can get in Skyrim, and most other games.

Yeah, agreed, semi-nudity and implied six would be more than enough. I can not see any reasons why it should be more than that? Do you really have to see every detail? (To put it like that)

All it's going to take is ONE brave title (most likely to be GTA) to incorporate it, and people will start to realize that it's not a big deal.