Hey guys.

I recently found out there are over 100 in-game magazines that each give you a new perk or perk rank. I know this is old information but I've been out of the loop and only recently found out. Is anyone else a bit worried that this suggests FO4 will have the same issue as FO3, in that players will be able to max out all their skills (in this case, perks and SPECIAL) fairly quickly?

To be able to obtain 100 out of 270 perks just by collecting a magazine seems a bit crazy to me. The beauty of Fallout 1 & 2 was the difficulty in improving everything and the fact that you were forced to specialise. If over a third of your character's "unique" set of skills can be obtained through a magazine just like everyone else - what's the point?

Sorry if there's already been a thread. I thought this was interesting.

The magazines will go towards their own perk lines, separate from the perk chart.

They give the player separate perks from the perk tree.... so no.

Edit: Ninja'd...

Edit 2: There's 10 issues of Grognak the barbarian, each give a rank in the Barbarian perk..... Some perks gained from the magazines will give a single perk, others will be perk ranks in.

Ohhhh okay, that's cool then. Case closed.

Collecting them is gonna be soooo fun

I am not worried in the slightest that players can rank up to quickly or use sneak to become totally invisible (on another thread). Because this is a single player experience, each individual can do what they like when they like as fast as they like.

I for one am a svcker for a game where they say "go find all these and we'll give you this". Man I've wasted my life lol!

Not to mention we can craft magazine racks... Which means, after you read the magazine you may potentially get to keep them.... That or if you choose not to get the perk attached to the magazine, you can store it at your base in case you do.

I imagine they'll be like Skill Books in Skyrim, where each one is unique but they only confer their bonus once. And if they're letting us have magazine racks, I wouldn't be surprised if they also let us read the magazine. Bethesda's best writing is in their in-game books.

Indeed, It'd be pretty cool to read the Grognak the barbarian comics. Hopefully they fully illustrated them, that would be amazing.

I think it'll be great hunting down the magazines, books, and comics to gain their unique perks...I've very much warmed up to the new character system, I was really worried about not having skills but they've just cut out the middle man and I've come to really like it so far.

Are you kidding me? When is there ever too much of something lol. I say give us more Magazines! The more in the Fallout world the better! The game pretty much strives off the fact that it gives us so much choice! I will collect each and everyone of those Magazines as it will not only provide entertainment for myself but countless hours of time to blow playing my favorite video game franchise!

The magazines are more like collectibles that will give you something extra

Remembering some of the out of the way places that I stumbled over magazines and skill books I'm not too terribly worried about ever coming across so many of them so quickly that I feel they have "over-leveled" one of my abilities.

Actually don't see myself making a systematic search for magazines or bobbleheads for several months down the road after release.

I'm looking forward to them also. What I enjoy about collectibles is that they add a reason to explore. I'm one who explores whether or not there are collectibles but it's a good motivator to get people who don't normally explore to go see other parts of the game map than what's along the path that the main plot leads you.

I have a feeling gaining 100+ levels is going to take insanely long let alone getting 170 on top of looking for 100 magazines.

yeah i have the same feeling, and make me happy =P

That'll be my entry into the first screenshot contests. SS squatting beside an open set of power armor, casually thumbing through a copy of Guns & Ammo

Have you read previous posts in the conversation? Magazines do not give you perks off the perk chart, they give their own unique perks that cannot be gained any other way than by reading that magazine type. For example, reading Grognak the Barbarian gives the Barbarian perk up to 10 ranks since there are 10 issues. We don't yet know exactly what Barbarian does yet, but it will surely be related to melee weapons.

So, to clarify, in order to get the roughly 275+ perks off the perk chart you will need to level up 275+ times as they are only attainable by leveling your pc.

I don't recall the quote specifically stating that ALL magazine / book perks would 100% be non-perk chart perks.... Certainly the example given (Grognak) is like that but that does not mean all of them are unrelated to the perks on the chart.

After a couple of playthroughs I discard what I dont like and try something new. I tried to sleep through the nite in one game but found that a bed is not always handy. Sleeping at least 8 hours a nite should give some kind of stat benefit in hardcoe. I would like that.

From the http://bethesda.net/#en/events/game/fallout-4s-character-system/2015/09/24/31:

"And on top of all that, you also get separate Perks from the many in-game magazines you can find (there are over 100). Some of these grant an individual Perk, while others up the rank of a Perk associated with that magazine. For example, there’s a 10-issue run of Grognak the Barbarian comics that each give you an additional rank of the Barbarian Perk, which raises the critical damage of melee attacks."

It sounds like all the magazine perks are separate from the chart.

You can really read that a couple different ways. But even so, if they are all separate, even less worry that they will unbalance leveling.

Any clue yet as to what the books are or what the perks they have gives? Barbarian for melee damage makes sense, but what could the others be?

not really...honestly, even if you find 50% of those, thats already a lot in a potentially 400 hour game... i mean of course you can look it up and hunt for them to optimize everything - but where is the fun in that?

Sounds like how the Fallout Wanderer's Edition mod handled skill books. Instead of guns and bullets improved the small guns skill every 4 books(3 with comprehension) increased the damage a few percentage points.

Not a word. We wouldn't have even known about the magazines except for that very article he linked - that's the only source on them as far as I know.

I hope they aren't all just percentage boosts, although I'm fine with the majority of them being like that. But if we got new crafting recipes, or learned some new tricks, that would be a real treat.