I also agree having female characters in this game would have been nice but I can see where lack of customization for both may have been a problem or it may have taken longer to release the game if they had done so to support a decent level of customization between the two.

Disc space is limited and briast physics require a lot of codeing......get over it
:flamethrower: :flamed:

They wanted a LOT of customization for their characters, due to money, time, workload, w/e, it wasn't possible to add female characters without cutting the amount of customization in half. Deal with it, you can't play a male char in lara croft, you don't see any guy complaining about that.

Can we stop saying female or male it just seems awkward
say woman, girl, hell even chick

NO MA'AM !

I dont care it is an FPS game.
If It were a TPS or RPG than I would female characters are a must, but with Brink I dont care.
I dont care why this is a big deal for you guys. There almost no woman playable characters in FPS games

"Yes we get alot of questions about not putting females in BRINK and its because we didnt want to cut down on everything just so e could have woman archtypes. Because when we do something, such as BRINK, we dont want to do it half assed... can i say half assed? yes? ok we didnt want to put in half assed characters into a game with no replay value so we decided to take female characters out. They were originally in teh game but taken out to further enhance the general game" ~ Richard Ham

Use teh search bar your post how its easier to start new thread makes me want to bliviongate: to your soul

Did you not see the moderator direction? Don't do that.

Folks, you need to read the pinned threads. Especially the ones labeled "Important Forum Information" where it says the following in addition to our regular rules due to the rudeness in this section:





I suggest you get on topic and stay on topic. If you think there is another thread on this, find it, link it and report it to a moderator who will then either close it and refer them or make a decision to leave it open because the other one is too far back. Got it???? And never ignore moderator direction in a thread, there is no quicker way to get an official warning and a short suspension.

As to the topic, yes, I would love to have female avatars in all shooters and all games. Seems more like a normal world and allows us women to be able to play games in the way we want to play them. One of the few ways we can take out our aggressions is in a game. GRRRRRRRRRRR

Look at how many women play COD, GoW, And many other games. NONE of them have female character models, yet they enjoy it. And what's it matter? You're only in First Person for 99.9 percent of the time. You don't even see your character in game unless you are completing an objective.

I agree with this part...

To the OP, I don't really get why your wife is so opposed to playing the game. Its an FPS for crying out loud! She never has to see her character beyond the selection screen if she doesn't want to. Does she refuse to play any game with a male lead or exclusively male player characters? Does she only play games like Wet and Tomb Raider and RPGs?

I like to first praise the Mods for coming in and doing what is necessary.

You can't even talk about an issue without being labeled a feminist these days and all the hostility is only going to drive female gamers away from Brink and God forbid, the FPS genre altogether.

We guys need to pull our heads from out of our collective as*es already. We can't come up with arguments like, "Oh, I've played games with no male characters before and i never complained" because a) how many games are there where the only option is female characters? and B) we didn't go through or still going through the nonsense that is gender inequality.

Female gamers don't have to "get over" anything and they deserve to be heard as any paying customer would. It saddens me to see that my brothers can be so chauvinistic at this day and age.

Going back to topic, here's a couple of excerpts from an article in Dec '09. (source: http://tech-reviews.co.uk/news/females-ruled-out-in-splash-damages-brink/)

According to the technical artist,

“… given the realities of development, we had a choice between having a wide range of options for male characters, or a much more limited set of clothing options that allow for both genders. We figured it would be the best use of our time to have a big set of quality customisation options for males instead of less and lower quality for females and males.”


I have to say that that was a poor decision. And notice how the statement went from "big set of quality customisation" to "lower quality for females and males"? Are they saying reducing the number of options for males to create female options automatically brings down the quality? It seems that they're thinking that more customization for males equals to quality customization when they could have just substituted a few of the male options with female ones while still maintaining this quality they're so focused on.

“… the females would have to be roughly the same height and width as the male characters in order to prevent any issues with hit detection or visibility. … Since women naturally tend to be smaller than men in reality, it meant we had to be pretty exaggerated in terms of their proportions when concepting the early designs. … it was a lot more work than getting the males to look right at the same size.”

Yes, they tend to be smaller but that doesn't mean they couldn't have created female characters who are just as big as the male characters here. You know what's the problem? Everyone is expecting a petite looking, pretty female character like the one in Gears of War now when they could have broken the mold and created non-traditional looking female characters.

Are you ppl kidding me? So the camera doesn't pull back to Third Person when you're capturing a command post so you can see how that latest jacket looks like?

What about when you guys are looking and commending your friends outfit? Don't you think female gamers would want that too?

You guys are making one ridiculous argument after another.

COD has Buffy now for crying out loud. Just because things were the way they were before doesn't mean it is right and it shouldn't change!!!

Im just saying that I dont think its a problem in any capacity. like chainlynx said, you dont even see your character anyway. And if I was a woman, Id be on the fence at least. not just right wing. Look at how many games to feature women. Now how many are directed at the men anyway? its just scantly clad [censored]s with guns have the time. Most games dont have the female population as the target audience. This is just my opinion. Brink doesnt have women in it. Take it or leave it.

First of all. Ill stop you there on technicality. Most of the time, Im not even the character I made when I play. so thats an iffy argument due to bugs :>
And the buffy comment? so when Brink 7 comes out, then they can get a female character in fa small sideshow game mode. PROGRESS! Ok ill stop. good comments on both sides. but the game STILL DOENST HAVE WOMEN. so whats the argument going on for?

sixist post has gone away.



Well you see, I'm pretty old and I remember when women didn't wear pants or work as mechanics and got paid less for doing the same job. Of course this topic isn't about that but some are making it so. Females like to be treated as equals and more and more of us are finding gaming to be a great form of entertainment but we feel a bit left out of it and we'd like a bit of equality. We don't want to be dressed in skimpy armor or cloths but we do want to be represented. We want to see female characters represented by avatars and NPCs,

And we want to spend our money on games and the companies want us to. Therefore shooters especially need to make a move to include them.

Yes, we played games with male avatars because otherwise we would have had no game to play but like we did with real life situations (wearing pants, equal pay for equal work) we will continue to ask for equality in gaming.

It's a preference, and guess what, we offer a great deal of financial support to the gaming industry. Fans should all want their favorite games to make as much money as they can because more money means more good games offered to everyone.

Who will female avatars and NPCs harm?

Thank you Summer.

"Who will female avatars and NPCs harm?"

Apparently, man's dominance over this planet Summer.



Not even going to address the technicality thing and Brink 7? Really?

The argument is going for CHANGE. Will SD change their decision and agree to release a DLC with even one female character in the near future? And it they can't do it then explain it to their female customers. Tell them if it really is technically impossible this time and promise to include it in Brink 2.

And what's wrong with issuing an apology for failing to foresee this issue?

Using GoW as an example is terrible because that is ONE female character and in this game you have to have more than one option when building a character. Adding 12 female faces, 3 new bodies, and making all of the clothing fit the new body types would have seriously limited the number of customization options we currently have.

And your wife would want to cut the number of options in half (or more) for everyone else just to incorporate a different body type for a handful of people? I'd say that is pretty selfish...maybe adding female body types down the road would be good, but saying that it should have been in there for release is a ridiculous complaint.

I'm not sure they will do so in a DLC but if they ever make Brink 2 I think they will try to include them. They have said they want to and wanted to with this game. However due to many other problems they did not have time to do so. They have addressed it and do seem to understand that females playing shooters is a growing audience which they want to address. Just getting that across is a big step for us gals.

Bleh I dislike the idea because of the hitboxing issues... Essentially a female character either has to be exactly the same shape as a male character(which makes no sense), have messed up hitboxing(as in they are hit where there is nothing to hit or the opposite) or have a size advantage or disadvantage, typically an advantage. So unless they find a way to somehow avoid giving either six an advantage, even if it is situational, they should not allow female characters. Also to above posts about them adding it in a dlc? I think not... That would require a whole new set of animations and character models, balance issues, customization options, voice acting etc. It doesn't seem viable, especially since the game took a serious blow to sales at release, to spend the money to sort that out for this game.

As far as a logic of females being in the game considering the backstory... Yes. They should be. There's no reason the women would not be fighting, especially on resistance. It's not organized armies drawing from a whole country like it most shooters(where it would seem peculiar if half of the players were female characters), it is an isolated conflict where the goal for both sides is survival. The lack of female npc's seems peculiar... but then, without a real story, there aren't really any npcs anyways. So if this game manages to hold on long enough to be worth making a sequel, they should indeed attempt to include female characters, as long as they can do so in a way that avoids an advantage for playing as one gender over the other.

I said "if she doesn't want to" the ability that let's you see yourself in 3rd person is optional and not really a 'must have'.


I'm not sure a ton of guys are doing this.


Also, the idea that this decision by SD or a very long standing attitude by male gamers will drive female gamers away from FPS forever is ludicrous.

Gameplay >>>>>>> the ability to make a character of your preferred gender. I'm not going to suddenly like a game because it cosmetically caters to me and I'm not going to hate one because it doesn't if the game itself is good.

Gee maybe to find the answer and not clutter up the forums. I mean do you really not see how selfish you are? You are wanting other people to post the same answer in your thread so you don't have to search.

In other words, others do the work so you can be lazy and stupid. You automatically assumed it was sixism about something you claimed to be curious about. But you aren't curious, you are a "open-minded" induhvidual who just wanted to rant so you could feel good about yourself and feel like you have done something as opposed to actually getting educated about the subject before spouting off.

And yes that means I am calling you a typical liberal [censored]. FTR I'm a libertarian and if I get banned for this, I will just follow the game somewhere else and see what happens. The stuff I'm reading is why I don't pre-order.

stuck on a man made island with no women... how do they reproduce? no wonder the resistance want to leave so bad!

Wait, so quoting Richard Ham in response to the OP's question is not allowed? I'm sorry but if the question has been answered as to why SD did not include female models in Brink then I do't see why you should tell a poster to not repost that information.

It is not a matter of rudeness at all but a matter of providing the correct information. If the question has been asked and answered, by SD no less, why keep asking the same question?

EDIT: If the OP wanted to discuss Richard Ham's answer than this would be a proper discussion. As the OP was ignorant to this information then we are simply rehashing a subject that was already answered, in detail.

EDIT 2: What's worse is that the OP has gone so far as to claim that SD is sixist for not including female models in Brink. I'm sorry but again this topic is not productive if the OP remains ignorant as to why SD did not include them.

First what is not allowed is to complain about a topic or to tell them to search or say you are sick of of the topic.

And no, you are never to quote a post if it is against forum rules. Have you read them? I suggest you do. Pinned at the top. "Important Forum Information".

What you can do is report the topic.

And of course you can quote Richard Ham. Go back and read the post by Gstaff and the moderators that I quoted. That is the problem not Richard Ham's quote. :banghead:

Sometimes girls are annoying as hell in games [you know what i mean] other times they keep to themselves. depends on the person honestly