???
???

These are Scandinavian letters. And before this becomes a battle of semantics, I just want to say - yes I know Nords are not Vikings - and yes I know Scandinavian letters are not part of the Elder Scrolls universe. But I also know these are just three small letters and omitting them from a heavily viking-esque (you can't deny it) game is like shutting a role playing door.

Why does this matter to me?

The player name. Many epic Norse names include these letters, like Fr?ydis, ?gir, Mj?lner, etc. (No, simplifying them to the English alphabet won't do as it changes the pro- and enunciation of the name completely, and well, you just don't do that to people's names - and especially not gods!

This is not a request or a petition, just a reminder. These things are easy to forget in an ocean of deadlines Most games get it right without any effort, but it doesn't hurt to check. This is the one game where I'd hate an ommitance.

And in case anyone was wondering, here's how to pronounce the letters:

? = the "a" sound in "bad", or "glass" - but usually kept a fraction longer, as if you're mimicking sheep "baaa".
? = uh.
? = Awe.

First lesson in class: "?" is for "?some".

I dont really care, but if you want them and they dont bother me, Im all for them. :biggrin:

? = Cat, Bat, Splat
? = Girl, Swirl, Earl
? = Awe, Law, Claw

:)

Oh they would totally replace all the standard characters. Even in the voice acting. (Actually, that would sound a lot like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk actually spoke if you removed the few consonants they do use)

Sorry.

Is that a short a or a long a? Not being pedantic but a lot of people pronounce glass with the latter (I don't personally) and though I don't recall offhand "bad" being pronounced that way, I wouldn't be surprised... the "baaa" thing suggests the pronunciation is in line with how people from south-east England would say "glass".

Er anyway, before I'm accused of being pedantic (never!) it would be nice if an extended Unicode-type character set was supported, especially as it's pretty much standard in Windows these days. If nothing else I quite like ligatures since I think they look "elven". :hehe:

But then other people would have the problem you have now to select a name. It wouldn't be better to have both character set?

Well the British "glass" (glahs) "opens up" the A so it's once again the wrong kind of A (like in "Father", not "Adder") even though it's the appropriate length



Really? Ok, I'll stop making jokes now. :brokencomputer: (it was a joke)

amgepo

I think that is what the op is getting at, is two sets of characters or something like that. I dont think he meant to replace all the current letters with scandanavian ones.


Right, OP?

lol right :violin: <---Only I understand the tune of the sarcastic fiddle, it seems :nope:

I'm all for it.


That's if you have a heavy Scandinavian accent. It's closer to the "o" in "for", "fore" and "ou" in "four".

And then there are the Finno-Swedish pronunciations.

We use the same alphabet in Scandinavia, but we have three additional letters. Yup, you guessed it: ???.
I wouldn't mind having them available, though.

Well, I guess it won't matter because Nordic - or what kind of Tamrielic do they actually speak - isn't Norse or any modern North Germanic language as you say (if that's the actual question here). Therefore I never even tried to check whether these characters work in another TES game. Do they?

oh! :blush2: well, I must say in my favor that you will be astonished to find what people are saying seriously in those forums

I usually just got apostrophes, accents and other symbols in Morrowind. Not sure about Oblivon, haven't played it for some time.

Haven't played any of both for quite a time myself, to be honest. Oh, so that means MW doesn't recognize Norwegian qwerty? That's a bummer. Although I still wouldn't use them often if it did.

I'd also be interested in seeing T and D included.

Iceland needs love too!

You do realise that those letters have been used in the old Scandinavian language in general, right? At least T (aka "thorn"), back in the days when Swedish, and I would assume Norwegian and Danish as well, used to have a "th" sound.

Anyway. Crikey, you Norwegians need to take it easy with this entire "Skyrim is based on Scandinavia"-thing. It's almost getting creepy.
And why should these letters be in Skyrim? It's a fictional world, and it's not like Bethesda has some sort of responsibility to include these letters in their game simply because it is based on Scandinavia (the key word being "based"). It would just get annoying to see these letters mixed into an English-speaking game.

if ill play a nord, ill name it harjawaldar. see - cool norse name without ??? wouldnt mind if ??? is in though

Ironically, the fiddle isn't supposed to be an indication of sarcasm. It is a "cry me a river" indicator.

Read the paragraph starting with "and before this becomes a battle of semantics" again. Thank you.



That's fine... That's was a fabrication on my part... Jeez...

What about the dragonshout from the trailer. Does it have any relevance to actual irl words out there?

To be honest, the first dragon shout (only?) I heard sounded very Russian. But Norse is basically a mix of Germanic and Slavic, so.

I mean where he says something of the sort of BO-SKA-JOO or at least that's what I hear.