Now that i think about it you are pretty much right. In oblivion they have had moments were NPC's talk about six, drugs, necrophelia, [censored] haha

I tend to agree with that. You might be interested to know that the BBFC (British Board of Film Censors) was introduced primarily to prevent references to class differences that might lead to "revolutionary fervour" from being shown on screen. It's come a long way from its roots.

Were oblivion and morrowind seriously not m games? I don't need six or gore in TES. That's stupid. Skooma and violence are good enough for me. Plus there are tons of mature themes. The lore itself is fairly mature for a game series IMHO.

Why?

There was absolutely no content in either MW or OB that would have possibly warranted an 18 certificate in the UK, so I don't know what you're referring to.

Some of the things Anheadra said would come close with the ever growing PC crowd.

Agreed.

Yeah what with all the threats of corpse [censored] and such. And the necrophiliac in Oblivion (sure that was more funny than anything else but still)

I suppose thinking back you're right, but it just seemed like a mature game to me. I'm not sure why, but I just felt like I was playing an M rated game. There wasn't too much violence (although there was the arena bloodworks right? Kinda gory I guess..), and there weren't too many sixual allusions (although polishing a spear? Come on..). I just suppose the mature and in depth lore (mature in the sense that it's complex, not that it relies heavily on six or breaks "politically correct standards") just made me feel like I was playing a game that I would have guessed was rated M.


Edit : http://images.uesp.net//d/de/TES_Oblivion_Boxcover.JPG Looks like it warranted a mature rating here. Apparently it was 16 and up for PEGI. M is 17 and up. Not sure what the difference between 16 and 18 is in the UK but ESRB apparently feels that 17+ does the trick for both.




It hasn't ever been something TES has focused on. I feel like adding it at this point would just be for immature reasons. Not immature in the sense of "ohhhh teehee those are bewbies" but immature in the sense that those in favor would only be in favor because it would be breaking out of the typical restrictions and politically correct oriented take on the video game industry a lot of people outside of it (I'm talking non gamers) have for it (it being video games). Basically when I see people in favor of it, specifically when looking at what past TES games have had in them, I picture someone who likes to stir the pot more than add something beneficial to it. I'm all for moving TES in a positive direction, but would adding gore or six do that? I don't particularly think so. So when I said "That's stupid" I was referring to any reason having to do with simply wanting it, or being okay with it, because other people wouldn't be okay with it. I just don't see what it would add besides controversy. I don't need to appease my inner desire of feeling more mature than others because I can handle nudity or serious violence. I'd rather not be faced with HAVING to be mature about a video game. (although I would deal).

In short I can't think of any good reasons for it, and I can think of a few not to have it. If there were serious arguments to the contrary I would of course take those under consideration (this is where I wait for anyone who thinks gore/nudity would be a positive addition to TES to change my mind).

most likely to be am 18 reasons being scare ish factor blood & gore, six / sixual themes and drugs doesn't really bother me

i wonder what the iranian rating board will do.

Anyways, ill be 17 when it comes out so i dont need my parents but even if i wasnt 17, i still would of gotten it.

i say a game is only better if it's got an M rating. blood, gore, six, etc all make a game that would otherwise be T for teen much, much better imo.

Sure i don't care i Pre-ordered, and i will be 17 when the game comes out so not really a big difference for me. EDIT: There will most likely be no six, and the only ''drugs'' We will most likely be seeing is Skooma.

:D We got something in common!

lol, yeah, i can pre order an m game without my parents but then i cant buy the game i just preordered.

Just because they have an 18+ rating doesn't mean they should go wild, and they don't. Todd said in an interview that they don't aim for ratings, they just take the game in the direction they feel it needs to go. Stay classy Bethesda, I'm sure you will. :thumbsup:

Guys, M is 17+ just so you, and their not going to have six in the game. They never have and never will.

Does it matter what the reasons are? It's merits would stand on their own.


Well you're wrong, I'm in favour and not for those reasons.


I couldn't care less about nudity, it's gore that interests me. It would not cause a controversy Chief Wiggum, so that point is moot.
Nudity would, because we're in a demented World where nudity is evil but violence is a lesser evil (but less of that). Gore definitely wouldn't cause a controversy and would add something to the game, in the same way that other visual effects add to the game.



Just because it's new, doesn't mean it's bad. The devs are adding a lot of things they believe move the game into a better direction. They believe combat (in and of itself) should feel more real to the player. Gore would surely enhance this reality. Now some make the (irritating) argument that it's just a game, and of course it is. That doesn't mean no aspect of it can have realistic elements. Gore is one of those elements.

To the previous posters quoting me:

Maybe I don't get it because I'm English and we don't have that same kind of "moral majority" pressure here - certainly not to the same level as in the US. Our censors are also maybe more lenient. Oblivion had a 15 rating here (both for the original release and the GOTY), so obviously they didn't spot anything untoward or "advlt only" in that game that I might have missed. It was 15 rated because it portrayed some violence (and I'm not just supposing that reason, I'm reading it off the BFFC certification on the box), as any game with an element of hack & slash will.

I think your point is simply that it would be preferable for you to have it in (and others I'm sure). This isn't really an opinion I share though, so that's why I wouldn't care to have gore or nudity in. But there is plenty I wouldn't want in a TES game in addition. Those are just a couple of those things. Last Edit: I agree that combat should be more realistic. There's a point where it's distracting however. As someone who hasn't ever ended another human beings life with a piece of metal I think I would be disinclined to experience something as realistic to that as possible. (not that I'm claiming you would).

Epona222 How much have you studied the mentality of the majority of the United States? I would say until you have studied it thoroughly and in the U.S. itself it's slightly difficult to substantiate your claims of "moral majority" pressure. There are morals many share, and there are many people who disagree among their morals. Just like anywhere. You are slightly typifying the European stereotype of thinking you know how hundreds of millions of people whose cultures** you haven't grown up with and will never meet think and feel about things. I am not easily offended, but I'm sure many Americans whom you haven't met might be. Just something to consider with respect to what you claim about U.S. culture, thought and censorship. (it's varied unbelievably, so I'd recommend you take what you hear about it with a grain of salt and keep an open mind towards it).

that's a provisional rating isn't it? not that i know exactly what that means for game ratings...
personally i don't care, i'm 18 in august (yeah, i'm egotistical, let the children, err... get bored...). and it should allow more realism with gore, and things. (and for those of you with peverted minds, opens up for more chance of nudity. but don't worry, that won't happen, would distract a surprising amount of sad lonely people from the game... but i'm off topic now...)

I think that with a 18+ rating they can experiment more with characters. I did not like how perfect the lives of people were in oblivion, i want to see some pazazzz and some draama! I want to be emotionaly sturred up inside! I want to feel as if my actions are affecting others emotionaly/physicaly!

I agree with you on this one. They mentioned in that GI article on "Building better combat" that they have been working very hard to make combat feel more visceral and intense; adding more realistic blood and gore effects would be directly in line with their goals. It stands to reason that if you whack somebody with your sharp and pointy sword, they will inevitably be seriously wounded as a result. Blood is likely to get everywhere and that is just fine by me. Realism is the key here.

Absolutely. But my point is also that you are being ridiculous saying that the only reason people will want it in is to go against the 'PC' crowd. And also that it fits with their descriptions of how they want combat to be.


Fair enough.

Well, despite nudity being the way everyone comes here, and six being the way pretty much everyone got here, my guess is the rating means Todd and the gang have finished playing with dismemberment and managed to incorporate it in an effective and potentially repugnant way, because nudity would of course cause delicate young players to have brain anuerysms. . . or at least would cause their conformist, illogical, reactionary parents to have brain anuerysms. Neither the Gaming industry nor the many companies that fall under its banner have the strength of will or the courage of conviction to stand up to blatant stupidty, so my guess is, more gore is what is garnering the new rating. Because no one important complains about gore.