I was tactless in my post. I'm sure there are more reasons than going against the PC crowd. I believed that before I made my original post.

If I remember correctly Oblivion received an M rating from the ESRB mainly because nudity mods existed for it; therefore, Skyrim will be M because of the possibility of nudity mods, gore mods, etc.

isnt oblivion rated M? but anyways its possible for it to be as gory as fallout lol

A valid point. Well said.

My husband is American, and had a look at my reply before I posted it. Is that good enough for you?

Agreed, be careful with that 'realism' word around here though, lest certain individuals come out of the woodwork shouting: "I use a game to escape reality blah blah and somehow this means nothing can be realistic".


Well, I respect you for admitting this. I for one don't want it for those reasons, I want it because it makes sense to me, and would add to my experience/enjoyment.

Oblivion was constantly having its rating changed from T to M, for like the first year of its release.

Games are rated to harshly by ESRB. There was nothing in Oblivion that should make it rated M. They said there's "nudity" in it, (likely) due to the fact that zombies didn't wear clothes. It's not as if you say anything!

Rated M, for suggestive sixual themes if you're into dead things..................... :confused:

ESRB is stupid. They give the M rating to a game like Halo: Reach ( for Violence and Blood) and they give the same rating to a game like Escape from Butcher Bay ( for Intense Violence, Blood and Gore, and Strong Language ).

I may be wrong, but I believe it's because there was a file you could edit (on the pc version) that would render females bra-less.

Something along those lines anyway.

Here's a question. Why do so many people say "This game would be so much better if I could behead and disembowel people, while have a massive orgy with a bunch of different prosttutes of varying races!" ?

I don't get it. Why do you need it? What does it add? All it does is make the game less classy and make it unplayable for TES's younger audience.

In that case Skyrim will be the first 18 rated game i will buy legally aswell as a nice birthday present.

Oh? I had no clue.

But that's not the games fault is it? Hmmmmmm.......

Well when I bought the game at first it was rated T, with a "M" sticker stuck over it. That would explain that. Okay, thanks for clarifying!

I actually think I don't care, one way or the other. I don't need a massive orgy in a game to make it fun, but it wouldn't bother me if it was there. In terms of sales and making this the RPG of the decade, I think it would be better if it didn't have that sort of content. But it wouldn't bother or offend me personally if it did.

No reasonable amount of people are saying that and quite frankly, you're being ridiculous and using extremes to push your point of view. Address what people really want and stop being a child.


Somehow, I don't think you're really interested in what people think it will add, since you stated as fact what you believe it adds straight after. 'Classy' is completely subjective. I think you're lacking class, personally.

Well thank you for insulting and then saying that I'm lacking class. Doing so doesn't put you in position to do so.

Am I exaggerating a little? Yes, I am. Alot? No.

People want dismemberment, nudity, and six. I'm not pushing things that much am I? My question still stands. What does explicit content like this add to your game? Have you ever played a game and thought, "Wow, this game would be so much more fun if it had more gore and nudity!"? I certainly haven't.

I'm just asking that Bethesda keep pointless content like this out. It'll bring unwanted hate and attention, and make the game unplayable for the younger people who play TES. They'll get their hands on the game regardless (Most of them), so I think Bethesda has some responsibilty here.

I disagree. PARENTS have the responsibility of making sure that their underage children do not access unsuitable content. The sole responsibility lies with parenting, not the rest of the world to turn all media into a safe substitute for parenting.

I honestly was 100% expecting an 18+ from Pegi and M from ESRB. The game (at least OB, and FO3) has some language, a lot of violence, Fo3 had immense gore. You can't get a lower rating with any of that. So I'm not surprised or anything...

Sometimes insults are warranted, Shakespeare insulted, he wasn't classless.


Once again you're jumping to extremes. You are using specific words to exaggerate and therefore make the position ridiculous, like I said, you're being a child.
There are features that I have wanted in games that add to the game and make it more fun. In Oblivion there were many of them, amongst them was gore, children, different npc body types, hand-crafted dungeons, better stealth system e.t.c.


Oh you're so altruistic. Neither are pointless, and once again you expose your childish attitude, you do not care what the other point of view is. In one sentence you ask the question, in the other you declare that there is no good answer. How open minded.

Ignoring sixuality, since I do not care about it, I for one believe gore will add a lot to the feel of combat. Tod Howard said himself that they want players to feel like someone is really going to die. Gore is a good way to do that.


Please, no more adolescence.

Then the kids will borrow it from a friend who's parents bought it it for them. Or they'll sneak on if their parents bought themselves a copy. My point is, that should we turn TES into a happy, pretty land, with rainbows, and candy, and be populated by fairies, pixies, and unicorns? No. Should we keep uneeded content like this out? I think so. And besides, do we really want to cut off the audience that makes up such a large portion of gamers? I played one of my first games, and my first RPG, KOTOR when I was nine. If there had been disgusting amounts of gore and sixual content my Dad would never have let me play it, and I would never have played the game.

Ahh it's good to be 21.

And if there weren't video games, they'd go out and find an advlt magazine or video, or drink cider in the park. You think every advlt in the world should be restricted to compensate for poor parenting? If you don't like what your kids are likely to do, then restrict them, not me. Get over it.

*Sigh* My original post was asking what explicit content like gore and nudity adds to the game. Please, excuse me for exaggerting. I've continued to ask what it adds, why it's so needed, why you're fighting tooth and nail for it. Don't accuse me of not caring about the other sides opinion. I'm asking it. I'll continue to ask it untill I get a definitive answer.

When you watch a movie, and somebody is shot, do you feel that it isn't believable enough if when a character dies there isn't gore? Please, I'm not dicating. I'm not hating. I'm simply asking, why?

Nothing will change. They've said it before that they're really don't care about ratings.

I don't really care about nudity. Gore I don't mind but honestly I think blood is something that's necessary in these types of games.

If a child goes looking specifically for something like that then they're looking for it. If this kind of stuff was in Skyrim, a massive game based in a huge fantasy world with hundreds of hours of gameplay, does that mean they're looking for the explicit content that makes up for 5% of the game? Possibly, but not neccessarily. Kids make up a huuuuge portion of gamers. Not so nuch on the list of people who buy play boy magazine.

Can we protect them from everything? No. But when there's stuff like this in video games, and most video games are marketed towards kids, and they're such a big part of the audience I think we have a job to.