You were exaggerating. You were also misrepresenting the position and answered the question yourself, thereby declaring that there is no good answer.


I'll accuse you for as long as you display that you don't. Stop trying to backtrack.


Which is exactly what you determine it to be, I have given one my reasons in my last response to you and other reasons in this thread around the time you started posting, you have the liberty to read them. Instead you insist that there is no good answer. Now of course by doing so you are declaring that my answers do not satisfy you. Nevertheless you have provided no retort to them other than your save the children stuff and your strawmen.


It depends on the level of gore. Gunshots can be very clean or very dirty so not often so it's a bad example. Why not use an example that fits? If I see a film with sword fights and a guy gets killed by a sword, yet there are not marks on his skin that could have possibly killed him and no blood on him or the sword. Yes, it's not very believeable.

It was M (18+) in Oblivion as well. This isn't anything new. But, as Todd Howard said, "We're implementing things we feel are appropriate for Skyrim, not for an M rating."

So they aren't going to make the M rating affect what they do in the game. They will do what they do, regardless of the rating.

the op should really make this a poll.

any ways i see it as good (being 22 i can buy any age restricted product). youll probably see more brutal moves in combat and maybe some language. if they went all out skooma may act like a actual drug with addictions and maybe a few new drugs. i dont see them doing anything too sixual like six scenes or full on nudity but from the vid during the scene with the huntress sneaking through the woods we did see a side boob :hubbahubba: so i do see some kind of six appeal happening.

Clearly neither of us are getting anywhere. You gave an answer for gore but not for nudity. I'm not pushing for absolutely no blood or gore, just no dismemberment.

Okay so here's some of my reasons.

I play TES to escape our corrupt world that has indulged itself in violence and nudity and can't get enough of objectifying women. I got to the magical world of Tamriel to get away from all that for a few hours, and if all of the sudden people are getting dismembered and there's nudity that magical TES feel goes away, and I feel as if I'm back on earth with the clock turned back a thousand years.

For me, having those things would be literally game breaking. There you go.

Because I do not care for nudity.


I take no issue with you having an opinion on the matter, I take issue with you making my position seem ridiculous simply because you disagree with it, as you did earlier.


Nudity is not necessarily objectifying women, but at stretch I can take that point, of course if I were for nudity I would be for male and female nudity.
Violence is an integral part of Oblivion, it is a game built around violence, escaping to Oblivion is silly idea, why not escape to the Sims?

Well it's a shame those things completely break a game for you, I would still play and enjoy the game either way. I would just prefer the combat to be as they appear to want it to be, a realistic feeling experience where somebody dies.

Well this is quite silly isn't it...........

I don't have THAT big of a problem with Gore, a bit of one, it's more of the nudity and six that bugs me.

And I don't want to escape to the Sims, because in TES my job is being entirely awesome and killing bandits, exploring dungeons, and saving towns of people from monsters. In the Sims I basically do what I do in real life.

*Sigh* To be honest this arguement is pretty much a waste of time and energy. Let's agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Edit: One last thing, I'm not against gore, just gore in TES. There's a place for everything, and in a fantasy world is not the place for gore. Shooter games for example should have gore. But if it doesn't fit with the game it shouldn't be in there. If you want it for simple realism then just suspend your disbelief a little.

No, you were silly. I'm not allowing you to backtrack out of it, sorry pal. At the beginning of this discussion you were being completely close-minded and unfair, as evidenced by the fact you ignored my reasons and continued to ask - it was obvious you didn't actually want an answer.

Nevertheless I respect that we both just have something that we want the game to be, and these are just preferences, so of course I'm willing to agree to disagree on that.



I will end by stating that I have yet to see a compelling argument against gore in this game, even against dismemberments if done reservedly in any of the threads.

I predict the locking of this thread.



Have you played any other TES game other than Oblivion? This is a very ignorant statement.

I don't see why, there was some mild insulting, but nothing that doesn't go on in most threads. Though I recognise it's certainly possible, which is a shame.

This ^

I won't speak on small children, who really shouldn't be playing these games anyway. . . but any parent who imagines a teen or young advlt between the ages of 13 and 17 is oblivous to the existence of such content is oblivious. Anyway, the age of sixual consent in most places, nations and states alike, is 16. The age at which a person can see both R and Nc-17 rated films is 17. Why the higher standard for video games? I find it very curious. One is also inclined to wonder what magical transformation takes place between the ages of 16 and 19 or between th 17th and the 18th birthday that makes a person exponentially better equipped to tolerate certain content. I have never known anyone to undergo a Sheogorath to Jyggalag style transformation in so short a span, at least not once they are past the point of early puberty.

I'm indifferent.

I think its wise.

I also know children do not like being talked down too...

that said I also believe that there are some games that should not be on consoles... that however is another argument for another thread and another time.

as for the content that makes the TES 18+ its likely:
language
drugs
alchohol
sixual themes.
animated violence



children under the a ge will get the game and play it anyway.. so.....

well if this ratings true then they obviosly put in something get it meaning likely gore although there is skooma and beer but i dont think nudity is it

Sounds about right. I'd say the targeted audience is 16+?

said sixual themes.... or partial nudity in the case of recent elderscrolls games.

unless you were not talking to me

well did ya make the topic?

what is Pegi 18?

European video game rating organization. Equivalent to the ESRB.

Thank you for the quick reply.

Good grief. This thread is way out of it as far as our rules go. Name calling, flaming...I only noticed it because smoke was billowing out of it. I can't believe none of you reported this mess. Looks like I have a long evening of writing up warnings, suspensions and reports.

My good mood just went bad.