Okay... Towers and their associated stones. Are the Amulet of Kings, Mantella, and Heart of Lorkhan the only known so far?

Here's what I remember off the top of my head...

• White Gold Tower: Amulet of Kings (destroyed, or maybe part of the Avatar of Akatosh?)
  
• Red Mountain: Heart of Lorkhan (destroyed, or maybe simply freed from physical binding?)
  
• Numidium (destroyed, at least physically): The Mantella (Never played Daggerfall, what happened to the Mantella?)
  
• High Hrothgar: ?
  
• Falinesti: ?
  
• Crystal Tower: ?
  
• Adamantine Tower: ?
  
• Khajiit Race?: Moon Sugar?

Do Hammerfell and Black Marsh have a Tower?

Hammerfall doesn't have one, but Yokuda had Orichalc Tower. As for Blackmarsh, the Towers are mostly an elven thing. The hist trees probably serve as their axis mundi.

And no, we don't know the stones of the other towers.

Perhaps that's because upon all of the other stones being destroyed, the Deadra and/or Aedra saw fit to remove them from history, from knowledge. Keeping them out of the "public eye", you could say, as to prevent any "rumors" or "gossip" about the stones, and what might happen with the last two remaining towers. We all know that Red Mountaion was destroyed almost exactly at the same time as White Gold. And perhaps, just perhaps, they kept them hidden to cover up something. It is a possibility that Lorkhan is behind it, he is behind alot of things that take place. Perhaps the missing stones, those "we don't know" were kept hidden because he doesn't want anyone of any race to know of his return, and how he planning to ennact it.

That's just my opinion, so if it goes against anything anyone might believe, I'm not putting you down or challenging you, just expressing my opinion.

I'm confident we just haven't seen the other stones yet. Perhaps that will change in TES V where we'll hopefully get to see Snow Throat.

The Warp in the West got rid of the Mantella along with Anumidum.

Ada-mantia & the zero stone is still there though.

See if this helps: http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/nu-hatta_nu-mantia.shtml.

I like the idea of opening up the possibility of Towers on other continents. Vampire Snake-Man Tower, anyone?

(OK, I'll stop with the Tsaesci fetishism now).

My list of Towers is:

-ADAMANTINE TOWER -- The Ur-Tower, Akatosh's spaceship and the place where the Convention was held and the divine rule of law cast (sort of) as Lorkhan's Heart was cast into exile. Home of the Zero-Stone, of which all other Stones are myth-echoes. On the Isle of Balferia in High Rock.

-RED MOUNTAIN -- The Tower in Morrowind, the massive volcano that dominates and, in a larger sense, composes the Isle of Vvardenfell. IIRC, it's the most important Tower, or one of the most important, because its Stone is the Heart of Lorkhan, the Heart of the World.

-WHITE-GOLD TOWER -- The Tower at the heart of Tamriel geographically, whose Stone is Chim-el Abadal, the Amulet of Kings. The function of this Tower's creatia stream seems to be tied to the line of Tamriel's rulers and, most recently, to the Dragon Statue. But, most importantly, its shape is a myth-echo of the Aurbis, which holds some kind of (possibly eschatological) significance.

-WALK-BRASS -- The Dwemeri Tower, a giant god golem, whose Stone has varied -- at first the Heart of Lorkhan, and later the mysterious Aetherial Mantella jewel. It has no set location, being an animated god construct, and its creatia stream can be directly commanded, ripping apart the very fabric of Mundus's reality (no doubt much to the dismay of the Jills, who have to clean up the mess afterwords).

-SNOW-THROAT -- High Hrothgar, the Tower of the mysterious Falmer. It is the giant mountain that serves as the focal point of Skyrim, from which Shor breathed life into the People of the Sky. The mountain goes high into the air and is covered by cloud cover -- it is said that parts of it do not exist in the same reality. The Thu'um dudes practice here, I think.

-CRYSTAL-LIKE-LAW -- The Crystal Tower of the Altmer, in the heart of the city of Alinor. Unknown Stone; however, it is said to contain records extending to the Merethic Era, and the remains of High Kings past, among other things.

-GREEN SAP: The walking city of Falinesti, a giant tree that likes to walk around and serves as a home for an entire population. Unknown Stone; has recently rooted itself without explanation.

High Hrothgar could prove to be a very interesting piece of plot if TES V is actually set in Skyrim, it would almost be impossible for them not to revolve the story somehow around it..

...Your point being??

I always assumed the other stones have already been destroyed since the O-crisis happened. Just kind of an assumption I always made.

I think it's more along the lines of "destroy the stones of towers that had any possibility of being configured to energize the Limnal Barrier", so Dagon (whom the Barrier was made with in mind IIRC) can get in. Red Mountain and White Gold both did that (or still do ).

Alomst true.. They're actually being destroyed so Lorkahn can return, and reclaim his heart, and everything else. Think of Dagon as Lorkahns little helper, who is just a pawn in the grand scheme of Lorkahn's return. Read the "Aldudagga". It is just a book of myths, but it gives info on Lorkahn, Dagon, Akatosh, and their relationship.....

Hopefully, if TES V is in skyrim, they'll include Aldudagga in-game. Maybe. No? Come on! MK needs the money! j/k
Actually, with the way that TES IV played out with the Aldudagga-esque battle between the dagon and the dragon at the end, I can hardly see how they can do a Skyrim game without the inclusion of some form of Aldudagga or Aldudagga-substitute. although, we all know there is no substitute for the real thing. It might break a little bit of in-game mood, however, since the Aldudagga are extremely bizarre and most of the time quite funny.

It wouldn't read well in a book, but possibly it could be included as a mead-hall saga type thing. I mean, they are oral- tradition tales. That's why they're written so conversationally. Walking into a Skyrim tavern to hear a drunken bard reciting the Seven flights would be kick ass, in my opinion. It would also serve well for comic relief.

Well, if you red the Aldudagga you'd realise why alloving Dagon onto Nirn would be against Lorkhan's/the greedy man's plans.

Oh, and Dude, that would be awesome
Or rather :foodndrink:

Unless, of course the greedy man wished to free himself. he's stuck both in and out of kalpas since he hid under a half-existant mountain. If dagon succeeded in making all of nirn non-existant, the greedy man would be free to start over/try again. I'm just saying, I entertain the possibility that dagon and Lorkhan are still good buddies. LOL.

That is true. Forgot about that part.

Has there been a consensus as to whether Snow-Throat is in fact, High Hrothgar?

I'm confident, yes.

Yes.

What's the only province in Tamriel that's called the "Throat of the World?"

How exactly is it against Lorkahn's plans? Have you read the Aldudagga? Lorkahn, wants to return. In my opinion. And i stress the phrase.. "MY OPINION".... Lorkahn merely used Dagon as his pawn. Lorkahn is greedy yes, but i imagine he would also know when to use others (like Dagon) to do the work for him.

"And Lorkahn would use Dagon, and others like him, as a pathway. To return from whence he came, and reclaim what is his."=(My quote.. I thought this up..It is nowhere in the game. I made it up. So please don't think I'm refferencing something from TES)


And now a short story featuring those two guys from TES........lol....

Lorkahn: "So, Dagon. I was just thinking, that, if you were to go to Nirn, and destroy everything in your path. I would, like give you five dollars or something"

Dagon: "[censored] yeah. What do you want me to do?"

Lorkahn: "Oh I don't know. Pillage, plunder, fight an enormous flaming dragon. Whatever you want really."

Dagon: "And why am I doing this?"

Lorkahn: "Because I'm giving you five dollars. No more questions. Move along now. Be a good boy, and go kill something."

Dagon: "Um.... Ok dude. But I want my money now"

Lorkahn: "All I have on me is three dollars.... Do you take visa?"

My point???? It could be any reason, but Lorkahn is no idiot. Do you honestly think he would return only to have Akatosh kick his anus? No, he would almost definately use someone.

This is all just MY opinion, so no offense meant to you or anything. But it really is kinda obvious-ish..... Lore is just that.... LORE, there could be a hundred thousand different explanations for it. Lore means "story" like folklore=folktale=wise tale=story... It's all been stretched out. Honestly. I mean honestly. Who other than the writers can possibly know. So many people come in and add or cut something, I only express MY opinion. I'm not trying to prove you or anyone else wrong.

Just saying what I think. So please, instead of starting a rant about what I say, just let me have my opinion, and I'll let you have yours. Maybe, eventually we'll agree. And maybe you are right, maybe I am wrong... We'll both find out someday I guess.... Sorry about the moment of aggrivation. just lighten up man. Half of the things I say are gonna be wrong. I'm not an expert, I'm just very opinionative, and I am kinda new to this... No offense meant to anyone.

Have a bright and shiney week Govna...........

Big Question here - is it proper to say Red Mountain's Stone is the Heart of Lorkhan any more? Was the link between tower and stone temporarily or permanently severed by the Nerevarine?

Likewise Walk Brass seems to have been destroyed etc ...


Also reading below the speculation on Lorkhan's return one has to question again what the Towers actually do. For example with Red Mountain was Lorkhan's Heart being:
- stored there?
- blocking it?
- powering it?
- imprisoned there?

etc

Yes, of course Lorkhan wants to return. Anyway the whole point of my first post was that since Lorkhan (the greedy man) created the world, and because Dagon was cursed not to be his real self untill he destroyed the world, alloving Dagon onto Nirn would be against L:s wishes, as it would inevitably the end of the world (with Alduin then eating it and all).
Then the Dude was friendly enough to remind me that Lorkhan was trapped "inside and outside" the kalpa, so it would make sense that he wants Dagon to destroy the world, and Alduin to eat it and then start a new kalpa, so he can begin again.


I am not offended. I am definitly never offended by someone elses views on "lore", as my own differ a lot from what is called "general consensus" about some things.
In fact, I am almost never offended by anything that is written on the Internet, even though I might sound a little "moody" sometimes. And I don't understand why you went on such a rant about "lore" and opinions, unless I offended you somehow?
If I did, tell me, and I will apologize - because I did not mean to sound aggressive (or anything of the sort) and I am sorry if I gave that impression.

Red Mountain became a tower when Zero-Stone was transferred there. The Heart of Lorkhan was "destroyed" but Red Tower still exists; just as White-Gold still exists even though CHIM Et-Adabal was destroyed in the same manner.

While I'm on the subject of Towers and their Stones, isn't it interesting that each game's McGuffin is a Stone?

oops - one moment ... Heart freed by noises - no one says destroyed ...