Towers are now useless!

Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 11:39 am

Manu:

http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/nu-hatta_nu-mantia.shtml

The fall of Red Tower should not be seen as the suave conquest of Cyrodiil's agencies, for we have been tricked again by the Dagonites. Though through long eras the chimerical landgods have subverted Divine rule, their protection of the First Stone should have remained as it was: the ironic protection of our enemies to our Enemy.

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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 11:23 am

High Hrothgar is another name for it, and yes, I do hope it plays a role, though I wouldn't want it to be the main plot. We've already been throw the Oblivion Crisis and Umbriel, do we need to keep messing with Towers? Though I admit I would love to see some Greybeards :P

Well, considering the Direnni Tower's presence in Daggerfall (though I don't think the Creation Myths were put into place until Morrowind), I think it's sort of become a running theme in each TES installment to involve one of the towers, or at least see/hear mention of one. I don't think we need to mess with Snow-throat, but if the next game is in Skyrim it'd still be awesome to see it.
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:14 pm

Yeah I also noticed the theme with the towers being involved in the main plot.
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:29 am

I hope that it doesn't figure as the hanky like White-Gold did for Oblivion. There's a lot of other things they can play with that they haven't yet.

I like the Direnni's role in Daggerfall, though. It was a means to get the mantella.

(Hanky is a Theatre 'term' referring to the seemingly inconsequential object that the plot revolves around. Comes from Shakespeare's Othello where the hanky was a handkerchief)
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Post » Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:44 pm

(Hanky is a Theatre 'term' referring to the seemingly inconsequential object that the plot revolves around. Comes from Shakespeare's Othello where the hanky was a handkerchief)


Hmmm....

Then what's Panky?
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:30 pm

But it doesn't need to be tower-shaped, would it?


question: is the statue of Martin-Akatosh a replacement for the Amulet of Kings? What if someone takes a sledgehammer and breaks the statue?


it would replace the amulet, but shattering thew statue wouldn't do [censored]. A trillion tiny dust-sized pieces of a stone add up to a stone nonethe less, and I believe shattering it would simply make the tower harder to deactivate (You'd need to use something like Kragnorac's tools on every piece)
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:18 am

I hope that it doesn't figure as the hanky like White-Gold did for Oblivion. There's a lot of other things they can play with that they haven't yet.

I like the Direnni's role in Daggerfall, though. It was a means to get the mantella.

(Hanky is a Theatre 'term' referring to the seemingly inconsequential object that the plot revolves around. Comes from Shakespeare's Othello where the hanky was a handkerchief)

As clarification, it's also referred to as Checkov's Gun, an object with seemingly zero plot relevance that is still given screen time/a few paragraphs of description that winds up vitally important to the plot later. Subtrope Checkov's Volcano, when a volcano is around, it will erupt. Played straight in the book.
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:25 am

Is the Crystal Tower in Sumurset a Tower with a capital T?
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:40 pm

not sure what you mean by "capital T," but yea, its on the same scale as red mountain, high hrothgar, the white gold, etc.
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Post » Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:42 pm

I have also noticed the towers in the plot. I believe something will happen to High Hrothgar.

The greybears are one of the most awesome things in TES lore. Now, I believe I am leaving out some towers in this list, if you could correct me.

You have:

Crystal Tower
Red Mountain
High Hrothgar
White-Gold Tower
Ada-Mantia

Isn't there one in Valenwood?

And I believe there is one other one...
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Post » Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:16 pm

Manu:

http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/nu-hatta_nu-mantia.shtml


The fall of Red Tower should not be seen as the suave conquest of Cyrodiil's agencies, for we have been tricked again by the Dagonites. Though through long eras the chimerical landgods have subverted Divine rule, their protection of the First Stone should have remained as it was: the ironic protection of our enemies to our Enemy.


Given the first words here state the Fall = Tower no longer working and elsewhere the Heart is described as having been set free then the questions remain: Where is it? And what is it doing?

Ask why Auriel 'disposed' of it as he did - assuming it was ot an action of revenge - it may just be because if left free the Heart could 'reconstitute' and return the entire being to life - oops What happens if it wants its moons back?
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:43 am

Crystal Tower
Red Mountain
High Hrothgar
White-Gold Tower
Ada-Mantia


Green-Sap (Falinesti)
Orichalc (Yokuda, destroyed)
Numidium (destroyed)
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:54 am

Given the first words here state the Fall = Tower no longer working and elsewhere the Heart is described as having been set free then the questions remain: Where is it? And what is it doing?

Ask why Auriel 'disposed' of it as he did - assuming it was ot an action of revenge - it may just be because if left free the Heart could 'reconstitute' and return the entire being to life - oops What happens if it wants its moons back?

The heart is the heart of the world, and one cannot live without the other. Since Oblivion came out, we know that the heart wasn't destroyed. I heard from somebody on these forums, I forget who; may not be correct, that the moons were disappearing (poor Kajiit) Perhaps TES V will include Nords breaking themselves from devout love of Lorkhan, and stopping his landwalk.
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:45 am

High Hrothgar is another name for it, and yes, I do hope it plays a role, though I wouldn't want it to be the main plot. We've already been throw the Oblivion Crisis and Umbriel, do we need to keep messing with Towers? Though I admit I would love to see some Greybeards :P



Just don't wish to hear them. ;)

And odds are that if Skyrim is the realm of the next game, High Hrothgar (and whatever its Stone is) will be a major plot point. A Tower and its Stone has been part of every main line TES game since Daggerfall: Numidium and the Mantella, Red Mountain and the Heart, White-Gold Tower and the Amulet of Kings... They're all focal points of really powerful reality-bending (or breaking!) energies.

Speaking of which... what is High Hrothgar's stone? Has it been mentioned ever?
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:50 am

Nope, maybe its some dood's trachea?
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:21 am

Perhaps the stone of High Hrothgar is hidden in the half of the mountains peak which lies out of existence.
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:53 am

How is it that if the Heart of Lorkhan was destroyed, there would be no world anymore? Nirn was there before Lorkhan's heart blew out of his chest and into the planet. So how is it tied to the existence of the Mundus?
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:20 am

How is it that if the Heart of Lorkhan was destroyed, there would be no world anymore? Nirn was there before Lorkhan's heart blew out of his chest and into the planet. So how is it tied to the existence of the Mundus?


I'm sure there are a few more informed people out there, so let me say I am a tad curious considering the deactivation of the Heart as well. That said, I'll give my current understanding, and see how that holds up.

Alright, from what I've heard, the Heart wasn't destroyed, per se, simply deactivated by the tools of Kagrenac. I believe it returned to its original state (whether that means it is returning to Lorkhan or simply back to how it was before the Dwemer used it I'm not sure), taking away the Tribunal's powers and potentially impacting the Dwemer (whatever happened to them).

The thing was, before Lorkhan's Heart was shot into Morrowind, things were a bit screwy. The main thing is, the Heart allowed Nirn to maintain stable even without the presence of the Aedra. Akatosh stabilized time, the Zero Tower started the Convention, and the Heart allowed Nirn to exist without the divine. It was the divine spark on Mundus, so without it things would be bad.

So, the Heart's not gone entirely, and it is important to Mundus. Without it Nirn would be in considerable trouble. But like I said, I've only heard about it a few times, I'm just as anxious for an answer as you :P



EDIT:
You understand correctly, so does Darkom.


Aw, I got so excited when I saw Jack had posted, I thought I might learn something new. Turns out I was correct, at least partly; how mundane. Oh well, at least I have been more or less confirmed.

Any other thoughts on the subject that I most likely missed? The more I have stored away the better I can speculate, and speculating is just so much fun :P
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:35 am

I thought the explanation was that the Nerevarine removed the enchantments from the Heart - not destroyed it.
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:32 am

You understand correctly, so does Darkom.
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:45 pm

I thought the explanation was that the Nerevarine removed the enchantments from the Heart - not destroyed it.


Yeah. Just who says that heart disappeared, is there notes about such? Or does this understandment base solely on fact that in-game heart vanishes.

As interesting sidenote: There was mentioning in some scrolls in Morrowind that Nerevarine could have tapped himself to heart as well. It required different pattern of using tools if i recall. But Vivec saw it better that Nerevarine never learns this.
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Post » Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:49 pm

Perhaps in time we'll find out what happened exactly.
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:35 am

Yeah. Only in mods, unfortunately. It involves something to do with keening, sunder, keening, sunder, then something else. But mechanically speaking it was never put in.
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Post » Sat Sep 04, 2010 11:18 am

Yeah. Just who says that heart disappeared, is there notes about such? Or does this understandment base solely on fact that in-game heart vanishes.

As interesting sidenote: There was mentioning in some scrolls in Morrowind that Nerevarine could have tapped himself to heart as well. It required different pattern of using tools if i recall. But Vivec saw it better that Nerevarine never learns this.


given that the fact the Heart disappears in-game suggests that is cannon. Ofc it may have reappeared after the Nerevarine left the chamber or it may have travelled elsewhere - whatever. The question remains does it have volition?

edit= typo
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Post » Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:11 pm

The towers are definitely still useful for getting a birdseye view of the landscape...

Seriously though, I'm curious if other towers exist on continents other than Tamriel....
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