Now that akatosh bannished the daedra from Mundus FOREVER! Just wanted to say so...

I'd have to disagree. Vuhon(sp) in umbriel seems to know a use for white gold tower in the infernal city novel. I'm not quite sure what that use is but I would have to say something like grounding umbriel to nirn so that clavicus vile can't come afther him himself. So the towers are still provideing a protection of nirn I believe. All I believe akatosh did was to make it so that you didn't need a live emepeor for the stone of white gold to work.

Yep, that big Dragon simply became the Stone. The Towers still have the same function as before, and having several down at once will likely have the same effect. White-Gold is important for being central, Red is important for being the housing point for the heart of Lorkhan, but the others are vital as well.

Wait, isn't the Heart of Lorkhan in Red Mountain?

Red Mountain is Red Tower. It was the second tower to be created, following the Adamantine Tower.

Oh...But it's a volcano...Not a tower...

yep the heart of lorkhan was the stone of red mountain. but the neverine released it at the end of morrowind severing the ties it had that bound it to nirn. so the tower is now inactive. Does anyone know what happend to the heart afther the events of morrowind? I'm sure it wasn't destroyed it was only released.

edit: it is both a volcano and a tower. It wasn't built but was made when the heart was shot into the sea by auriel(sp) I think thats it. That created the volcano which serves as a tower.

I don't think the Heart of Lorkhan was destroyed, considering Trinimac and Auriel were incapable of doing so earlier in time. Plus (though I'm not entirely sure about this considering the later towers and the events of Oblivion's ending) the Heart of Lorkhan is the Stone which allegedly allows mortals to remain anchored to the Mundus without the aid of divine spirits. In the http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/nu-hatta_nu-mantia.shtml, it is considered that the Nerevarine's actions were foolish in that putting Red Tower offline caused more harm than good. I assume that "we have been tricked again by the Dagonites" refers to the Mythic Dawn.


I beg to differ. The volcano's massive height elevation is just like the walls of a tower, and the crater within is the living room.

We were screwed either way. Either we get a giant four-armed Daedra stomping on everything, or a giant Typhoid Mary Golem stomping on everything.

But it doesn't need to be tower-shaped, would it?


question: is the statue of Martin-Akatosh a replacement for the Amulet of Kings? What if someone takes a sledgehammer and breaks the statue?

There's also the tower in Skyrim, which is a mountain too. Just not as big, and more snowy and cold. So no, it doesn't need to look like a tower it seems, just big metaphysical significance. The elves are just very vain, so they make pretty towers.


I believe I am correct, but I'd say yes, the statue is the new stone for the tower. And if someone were to take a sledgehammer to it? Well, it won't do anything! Try breaking a table in Cyrodiil

Is there any way you could give a serious answer please? I don't mean because it bothers me or anything, but this question is very important to a current study of mine. Thanks

nO! Ask someone else, I refuse to tell you, because you didn't offer any skulls or speard Nurgle's gifts lately as far as I know. Keep reading my response above, and you'll get my answer eventually.

I doubt that you could seriously shatter the statue by convential means. and if you did manage to break the statue it would just be the oblivion crisis all over again and we'll end up with oblivion 2.

Sigh... Fine, I get it, you think it can't be done. Though what I meant was if you had any speculation regarding the importance of the statue, and thus what would happen if it broke. It is my understanding that it only replaces the Stone for White Gold and not all the Towers (though I have heard this), thus if it broke then much of the same thing would occur. I was looking for obscure half ideas that I could expand upon and turn into an interesting plot.

Man, I can never tell when people are joking or just being obscure around here

Seriously, what dike would shatter it.

Oh God no! :ahhh:


Oblivion fans! :ahhh:

It seems like we're meant to assume the Akatosh statue serves the same purpose as the Dragonfires. I'm not sure if that makes it the stone, or just a replacement for the effect the stone had on the barrier between Oblivion and the Mundus.

We've seen nothing before to imply that stones are indestructible. The one in Red Tower was removed. (NOT destroyed. If the Heart of Lorkhan were destroyed there'd be no world anymore.) So Red Tower is basically "switched off" right now. The one from White Gold was removed with the death of Uriel.

With these precedents for rendering towers useless, one can only assume destroying the Akatosh statue would be possible. I'm sure the thing is more heavily guarded than almost any other location on Nirn for that very reason, however. The Battlemages, the Elder Council and Emperor Titus Mede probably are more aware of this than anyone else.

Perhaps THAT's the reason the Synod was commissioned - a holy order to root out Dagon worshipers and other evil cultists plotting to remove Stones and weaken the barrier?


We've heard later that the Mane is assassinated, and some people speculate that he acts as a stone in a similar way Uriel does, but that's speculation at this point. Umbriel was able to enter Mundus, although it's still technically not fully in the world. Perhaps the death of the Mane weakened the barriers, but to a lesser degree than before?

How dare you. I've clocked twice as many hours into Daggerfall as I did into Oblivion. I challenge you to a duel, N'Wah.

Hmm, so if the Heart wasn't destroyed, where is it now?

Also, is there anywhere I can take a quick look at the summary of the events of the fourth era? Without purchasing the book of course, though I fully intend to, I just wanted something to look at in the meantime. It's rather important for a story I am working on. Thanks


EDIT: Nevermind, did a quick wiki search and found most of what I was looking for. Thanks anyways

hmm maybe the next game will revolves around the tower in Skyrim(what's it called?)

Snow-throat, I believe.

High Hrothgar is another name for it, and yes, I do hope it plays a role, though I wouldn't want it to be the main plot. We've already been throw the Oblivion Crisis and Umbriel, do we need to keep messing with Towers? Though I admit I would love to see some Greybeards

I'm sceptical about Red moutain being offline - as far as I know it was performing it's role as a tower before the dwemers tampered with it. The Nerevarine's intervention destroyed Kagrenac's enchantments, not the Heart itself, which is a return to that initial condition (an unenchanted Heart somewhere under Red Mountain)

Frankly, I'm more skeptical of the belief that it was active before the Dwemer meddled with it. I mean, just because a Tower has its stone in it doesn't mean it's active. Likewise, the stone doesn't have to be inside the tower for it to be active.