towers?

Post » Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:32 am

Few people here are likely to know much about places and events in Shadowkey. At any rate, it's a tower, but it isn't necessarily a Tower.



My never-written-fanfic theory is that the Eye is the Stone in a mini-tower, a Hist experiment, an attempt to model a Meric Tower on a small scale. I'd concur with those who say building Towers is purely a Meric phemenon... but wasn't there a Tower in Yokuda at one point? And who built Snow-Throat, and why do the Nords (Children of the Sky) regard it as their origin?

Maybe the Hist themselves are Towers, and they reproduce and extend landmass like mangroves (but really, really slowly). :shrug:


Maybe Snow-Throat is a natural Tower, like Red Mountain. Or it could have been built by the Falmer.
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Post » Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:59 am

If I'm not mistaken wasn't the staff of chaos supose to be like a mini tower of sorts or am I mistaken?
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Post » Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:18 am

In my opinion (that has been formulated on a past discussion), they just happen to share similar symbolism. I don't think it does the same thing as a tower.
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Post » Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:23 am

but wasn't there a Tower in Yokuda at one point? And who built Snow-Throat


the Left Hand Elves and Falmer.
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Post » Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:46 am

This post looked INSANELY arrogant, for some reason...
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Post » Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:04 am

no, i mean they[LHE] built it[Orichalc], and the falmer built (or imbued with special powers, if it was already a natural structure) Snow Throat.

i dont smoke pot, only skooma :wacko:
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Post » Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:09 am

Aaah. Apologies.

I really need to start reading again...
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Post » Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:34 pm

*sigh* Someday I'd like the Mannish races to get a little more metaphysics and the Merish races a little more attention paid to their internal politics/struggles.

But then again, I suppose that that's just the nature of having Oblivion what it was immediately after having Morrowind the way it was.

It could be the Hist making the Tower. But given the way that Black Marsh is a truly unique place with intelligences and creatures not found anywhere else, I'd say that the Hist are more of a symptom, an effect of the way creation is stabilized there than those who has caused its creation.
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Post » Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:54 am

Adding to that: I find it ironic that the beast races, so often labeled as inferior and (from a lore perspective) largely ignored, seem to have by the little information we can gather about their metaphysics an even more intimate connection with the creation than even the elves, with all their mad tower-building, could ever hope for. The Khajiiti connection to the moon has already been mentioned, and I think the Hist can be interpreted as an Argonian equivalent -- a naturally emergent, rather than artificial, form of mythopoeia.

But now I'm just navel-gazing. And, in any case, everyone knows that the http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=696937&hl=, and they ate it to become it and OH SNAP WE'RE [censored].
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Post » Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:03 pm

If I'm not mistaken wasn't the staff of chaos supose to be like a mini tower of sorts or am I mistaken?


I don't think there's any official lore on that, but it is another of my speculations. Actually, I link the Staff of Chaos to a particular passage in the Sermons of Vivec, specifically number seventeen. :
At the end of the battle, the Hortator found that he had gathered seven more spokes. He attempted to attach them and form a staff but Vivec would not let him, saying, 'It is not the time for that.'

Nerevar said, 'Where did I find these?'

Vivec said that they had collected them from around the world, though some had come invisibly. 'I am the wheel,' he said, and took that shape. Before the emptiness at the center could live too long, Nerevar put in the spokes.

I also recall something from another document talking about lining spokes up to create a "virtual star line" leading to an escape from Mundus... but that's a bit hazy. At any rate, I related the idea of the Hortator lining spokes of the wheel into the shape of a staff, allowing for an escape, with the idea of the Hero in Arena lining the pieces of the Staff of Chaos into a staff, allowing the Emperor to escape his dimensional prison. My theory is that, in general, eight-pieced artifacts can, by echoing the structure of the Mundus, create pocket dimensions when laid out in in a wheel formation (whether near each other or scattered throughout Tamriel, as the Staff of Chaos was), while combining them into a staff can enable one to escape said pocket dimension.
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Post » Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:52 pm

"Virtual star line" is from the Tsaesci Creation Myth.
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Post » Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:59 pm

Oh, and how the Towers perch from the motifs.

The Kahjiit are not only more connected to the natural mega-monoliths such as the moon and the sand-structures (small, focal power preferences), but they seem to also know how to harness the ability to connect to them better. Skooma is like Vivec face-[censored] Azura. Which points to real-life adequateness as well. It's not uncommon for people to inherit religious propaganda while under the influence of hallucinogens, and more prominently, the real-life Skooma, the cultural-esque (all people of a certain drug fetish seem to band together and stick together) sanctity of meth. But it's like the Khajiit can control the experience and assimilate on a very weird level. It makes me wonder what would happen if, on their birthday, they smoked a lot of Skooma. The transcendentalist within them, aligning with their copula-Moon, would be pretty intense, I'd imagine.
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Post » Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:35 am

Hmmm. Interesting. Temporary creatia nets in the desert of Elsewyr. Interesting, but only jibes with the nomadic elements of Khajiiti society.

I'd imagine Khajiiti metaphysics to be much more focused on the significance of Moon, Star, and Sun. So Magnus, Lorkhan, and Azura play some interconnected role with each other. Which easily blends in with ES's metatheme of Warrior (Azura), Mage (Magnus), Thief (Lorkhan). I doubt they'd be focused like the elves on jumping gradients and the like. Although, if the elves are to be believed, all beings want to jump back to gradient zero.
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Post » Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:14 pm

Not exactly. What do you do when the only natural resource you have is sand and timber? You don't accolade criteria-matter from somewhere, you learn to walk like the despotic metaphysical semitones until they must walk like you. ;)
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Post » Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:51 am

Bump, for a good justice. ;)
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