If I was Bethesda and I wanted to pull something like that I would rather it being the CoC become a loon after being in the Shivering Isles :disguise:

The problem with that is that the CoC was not a dragonborn as (s)he could not wear the amulet of kings.

Martin was a dragonborn? oo: Why didn't he use his shouts when I needed help?!

Yes, as was Mankar Camoran. It's an instance of the same word having multiple meanings. Which, where Akatosh and dragons are concerned, is all too appropriate.

Yes he was a Dragonborn, the Septim bloodline had Dragonblood, adn that was why they were all magical and mystical and they were able to light the "Dragonfire" in order to seal shut Oblivion.

That was the whole point of them.

He didn't use shouts because there were no Dragons to kill and souls to absorb.

roleplaying can fix anything, my friend.

• He didn't know he was Dragonborn
  
• His soul became fused with Martin's soul
  
• The Amulet of Kings was a knockoff
  
• He is Dragon Born -- Again (he got converted to dragonborn-ism)

No thanks, Sorok had his time to shine already. Besides, he's the Mad God now. It's very likely he'll be in-game already.

Why would he when your doing his grunt work?

What exactly are you expecting to transfer? There are no more classes or attributes, the skillset is entirely different, you level up faster with a higher cap, Oblivion does not take perks into account, the facegen system is completely remade and will thus be incompatible (and it would look very ugly anyway), the bodies use different models and model system, the armour and clothing and weapons will all be new models.

There is NOTHING you can transfer from one game to another in terms of your character.

Well, we learn something every day, don't we?

I dunno. Who wouldn't want to transfer http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/2226/lordraqethedoomsled.jpg?

He was never learned in the art.

:lmao:

No. I'm pretty sure it was because there weren't any dragons around (learned from previous posts on the page before this one).

No, not really. One of the best things about TES lore is the concept of subjective reality. The act of donning Sheogorath's regalia was as much symbolic as it was physical. By bearing his staff you became Sheogorath. His plan was for you to rebuff Jyggalag to preserve His realm, but as it turned out Jyggalag had planned for the exact same thing. The difference was that Sheogorath had planned to strip you of His power and reclaim it once the Greymarch was defeated, but Jyggalag was pleased to let you keep it so He could take all his soulless toys and go home (which is to say, nowhere, for He is His home, since Prince and Plane are one and the same).

It doesn't matter that there is a new Sheogorath, since He will be exactly the same as the "old" Sheogorath. A feeble mortal soul cannot withstand the power of an entire Plane of Oblivion, and over time the Champion would assuredly have more and more trouble returning to the mortal plane until it was impossible except under specific circumstances. By that point his personality will have been crushed completely, and some other mortal will have to use a dinner fork to kill a giant netch in his stead.

This debate will be proven one way or the other in Skyrim if we see Jyggalag alive and well or not. If Jyggy is out and about trying to Order everything up to make it all crystally and grey, then the Champion has been transformed. If he was just an illusion then Sheggy had his fun with a mortal and all's back to normal now.

:rofl:

What race was that, "Dark Seducer"?

1. Doesn't matter if he knew or not, he still couldn't wear the amulet.
2. That's just silly
3. If it was a knock-off, then the CoC would have been able to wear it, and Dagon would have just destroyed Nirn
4. Personal faith means jack to the Adrea and Deadra.

LOL please keep in mind I haven't finished Oblivion's main quest yet.

I'm sure I could think of something better once I do that.

1. I had a mod that let me wear it...so I actually could wear it.
2. It's as silly as Aludin trying to eat everything.
3. Once again...I was able to wear it.
4. Well...I got nothing for #4.

The Voice can potentially be learned by any person, but those with the blood of Akatosh in their veins are uniquely suited to learn it. Martin, like Uriel VII before him, had the potential to learn the Voice, but that doesn't mean he ever did. Even the Dovahkiin will have to actually go to learn the words of power before he can use them. The presence of dragons just makes it so that he doesn't have to spend years practicing before he can speak fire and force and frost, and call storms, and twist time around his finger. He can simply empower himself and his words with their souls.

What are you doing here then?

Exactly. I would finish it ASAP (but take your time and have fun with it, just drop everything and play Oblivion right now).

Well put.

But Martin didn't learn anything in the years it took me to close shut the jaws of Oblivion...how nice of him.

Despite how poorly Oblivion treated the lore overall, I'd say that the endgame of the main quest is actually worth playing through if you want a nice little setup for Skyrim. Mankar Camoran's rantings were well-written and intentionally wrong, and what Martin does with the Amulet is surprisingly lore-friendly and original.