...Are there really no middle-easterners in this game? I only just realized it because I made an Arabic assassin character named Hassan-i. First getting to megaton it donned on me... there are pretty much no middle easterners in this game, not Turks not Arabs or Indians. Now I realize that most characters have an English first name regardless of race but they still tend to have an ethnic last name (example Irving Cheng) but I can't think of a single person who has a middle-eastern name much less looks like a middle-easterner. I dunno I just realized it and thought it was weird that I can't think of a single one.

a list of games that they are in where they aren't portrayed as terrorists would be interesting

Well the total war series for one, playing as the Ayyub Caliphate and using the Hashashin are what gave me the idea for the character. I don't want this to become political I was just wondering if anyone could name a single Arab in the game because I couldn't think of one.

I've noticed this, too. But to be fair, this can be excused considering the setting and what happened 200 years ago. Though, with that said, it HAS been 200 years, so you'd think there'd be a few immigrants, and maybe some who are descendants of Arabic families in the US during the Great War.

There is actually quite a lot of Asian and Hispanic characters in the game, but due to the quite crappy faces, you can't tell. Seriously, I was really surprised when I went on the Fallout 3 Wikia to find out there are so many Asians around -- doesn't look like it.

Yea, its missing a few races. I think it's okay though. Although it would be more realistic if they were in the game.

It would be more realistic, but would you notice? Lucas Simms is the only recognisably racially specific character I've come across. The rest need surnames like 'Cheng' or I assume they're all Yanks.

Are you telling me you can't tell the difference between a Caucasian and African-American?

Edit: Oh and, Yanks? What is this, 1887?

I really don't notice!! I don't know if it's the general lighting or what but I don't generally notice what colour they're meant to be.

And yes. Yes it is. XD

:facepalm:

I think the doctor in Anchorage is supposed to of Indian decent (Adami, sounds like from India?), but yeah there are no Arabs, no other (east) Indians, no Native Americans. For a game that tends to be pretty detailed, it's a little bit suprising. It'd be interesting to run into a tribe of Native Americans who can be a lot more free without a government.

Perhaps there are Middle-Easterners in disguise. We can look very Caucasian or Hispanic. :ninja:

Indeed, we can. :foodndrink:

Living in the US, I get mistaken for a Native American very often.

I presume FO3 decided to go the safe route, and concentrate resources in other areas.

I believe most of science regards the many races of the world as sub-sets of three major races. There’s always been disagreement and changes in what’s considered a specific race, but most scientist/anthropologist/sociologist, at least for clarity’s sake, work within that framework (three major races based on physical aspects) with others branching off from the major three.

Can you imagine what developers would subject themselves to if they started adding subcategories and leave out a few? Or even if they added the major “sub”-categories, some would want them to sub or fracture it even further. It could get ridiculous.

I can't see there being much in the way of immigration happening after the war. How would they even get there? There are no airlines anymore, or trans-oceanic vessels. The only way someone from the Middle-East could make it to the US in a post-nuclear environment would be to swim across the Atlantic. You might have the odd daring soul who decides to sail across in a small boat, but why would they even bother? They'd have no guarantee that things would be any better on the other side of the pond, so why go to all that trouble and risk?

You're not being very observant then. There's two blacks in Big Town, and the woman you deal with in the Replicated Man quest is black as well. And I'm pretty sure I've come across lots of black Raiders. Some of them also look pretty Middle Eastern and Oriental to me as well.

I doubt bethesda wanted any trouble with racial issues etc. For instance, the AI of an Arab decided to fire an RPG round right at your face when you stood an inch away from him, He dies. I think that would of caused mass controversy.

Star Paladin Cross is also African American.

The game is set in an alternative timeline. The Middle East was at war with Europe and the United States closed it's boarders in the years leading up to the great war.

This is a game. They are not really excluding anyone here. The game does not include real world religions and there are people from may races. You can make your character look middle eastern if you wish.



After a nuclear war the world would be sent back to the stone age. Same goes for Fallout. There is no global migration. I don't care what wiki says about Colin or Tenpenny. The game does not say they came from the UK. Also FO1 has a man with an English accent and he got it from a Robin Hood book. So there are other reason people could have a foreign accent.

That's odd middle-easterners look nothing like Native Americans to me.

Which reminds me I don't think there are any of them either.



Really? There are a lot of black people I don't see how you could mistake them for white the only person who I was surprised to find out was black was Jericho I thought he was just an epically burned white guy. And yes I would notice the only races that tend to blend together for me are Caucasian and Hispanic.



Odd you say that because it seems to me there is a lot of global travel, the Enclave can go where it pleases and I'm sure the BoS and NCR can too. Plus Desmond talks about his travels so I think to say there is absolutely none is ridiculous. And on top of that there would still be people who are the descendants of middle-easterners which there do not appear to be.

I'm Middle-Eastern(completely Lebanese), and I look caucasian. My grandfather(completely Lebanese) has blue eyes, light skin, and had blonde hair when he was younger(white now). I have green eyes, light skin, and a mix of dark brown/black hair. :shrug:

I'm aware that there are plenty of middle-easterners that are white it was mostly the fact that there wasn't a single person with a middle-eastern name that I found odd.

Both the Enclave and BoS came from California, they didn't have to cross a large ocean in order to get to the DC area. Looking at those Vertibirds, I really can't see them being capable of a trans-oceanic voyage. They're designed for short distances only, and there's no indication that the Enclave have anything capable of long range travel.

It's game. :shrug: There's only so much detail Bethesda can put into a game, although a few people who have Middle-Eastern last names wouldn't be too difficult, I guess.


I can come up with plenty of unintended excuses, though. Marriage and therefore the adopting of a non-Middle-Eastern name could have been there. Perhaps Middle-Eastern people in the U.S. just weren't common in the 50s. Perhaps some names could be Middle-Eastern, just not what people expect of a Middle-Eastern name. Perhaps some of the NPCs without names could be of Middle-Eastern descent. They're all false reasons, of course, but if we don't speculate about a game, it isn't really a Bethesda game, is it?

yeah and i want my people the NEW ZEALANDERS in there aswell ands the australians and i want us new zealanders to have OUR accent not some american imposter one

I believe this happened with Braveheart. IIRC the film got harsh criticism for only depicting Scots and Saxons.