For some reasonhttp://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=25689 edits a chest in the vanilla Imperial Armory. Even with One of the Gang loaded after it, its edit of the chest supersedes your removing of it. So I'm left with a chest floating in front of the stairway leading to the rest of the armory. No big deal, mostly I'm curious as to why it does it and how I might fix it in the CS... I'm currently hosting the file and thinking about fixing any bugs or compatibility reports I get so I'm not just mooching off someone else's work.

By the way, did the Elder Council patch work for anyone? When I used it, putting on legion armor just didn't do anything.

I only had to move about 6-7 vanilla objects to expand the armoury, and I just placed them in other areas in the room. My guess is that the chest added by DB Continued is a new one and not a chest that was already in the room. If you want to get rid the 'floating chest' I suggest opening the CS, and load DB: Continued as the Active Plug-In. Go to the cell (something like ICImperialLegionArmory, I cannot recall the ID exactly) and move the chest to an unused space, or if it isn't essential delete it entirely.

Alternatively, if you do not want to use the CS you can go in game and open the console, select the chest and type in "disable", and press Enter. This will remove the chest from your game.
NOTE: Only do this if you are sure that it isn't needed for quests, etc.


If you would post your load order I'll try and diagnose the problem, also the version of TheElderCouncil.esp that you are using if you know it.

Thank you for the feedback, you are, sadly, only the second person to say anything about the update.
I was considering expanding the mod to incorporate City Guards, with different features for different cities, but given the lack of response to my last update I guess people aren't terribly interested in new content for this mod in the future?

I was aware of all of this, when I tried to move it there was a chest underneath it so they seem to occupy the same area. I was afraid of moving the wrong chest or both chests so I decided not to do it.
I don't see how it could be quest related. I saw no script attached to it in refscope, items in it were all random loot(leather greaves, an iron dagger, something else boring and generic), and DBC is basically just killing randomly generated NPCs and then returning to Arquen for a reward. Any easy way to tell which one is the vanilla chest and which is the DBC one in the CS? I figured it out

*Removed outdated, misleading load order*

You do not actually have the http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/download.php?id=44848in that load order.

Yeah that load order is outdated anyway. I had it in the load order it just wasn't checked because of the problem. I tried it again when testing the chest move, still didn't work here's the load order:

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I had to manually place The compatibility patch there because BOSS was being stupid and placing it up by NBB. The BOSSlog showed the patch in the right place, but where it was actually placed on the load order was wrong. I thought that might be the problem but even after manually placing it it didn't work. I'm going to update the CURP and The Elder Council to the DC versions and see how that works.
By the way how do you handle the infamy thing? You can't do on duty with the Elder Council if you have20 or more infamy. I thought that might be the cause of it not working but even after setting infamy to 0 it didn't work.

I have learned that one of the best ways to avoid incompatibilities is to avoid making unnecessary changes and to understand fully the implications of the changes that you do make. Therefore I made very simple to use patch for these two mods. My hope when I designed the patch was that even if The Elder Council team release further versions of their mod the patch itself won't need to be revised or updated. I'll explain in more detail how it works.

The patch is designed to kick in only when your inventory selection (putting on a certain Legion Cuirass, etc) makes your game think that you are going "On Duty" and becoming "Disguised". In this case the player will be asked which they are doing. If you choose to "Go on Duty" then the patch will redirect you back into The Elder Council scripts and will prevent the TRN One of the Gang ones from running. Alternatively if you choose to "Become Disguised" then the TRN One of the Gang scripts will run and The Elder Council scripts are stopped.

It is important to realize, however, that just because you have chosen to "Go on Duty", or "Become Disguised" does not mean that you will actually succeed in doing so. Once you have made your decision the normal conditions from the respective mods apply. For example if you chose to "Become Disguised" and there is a guard beside you (i.e. you are detected by a responsible NPC) the default TRN One of the Gang code dictates that you will not be disguised and probably be arrested. Similarly if you pick the option to "Go on Duty" and your infamy is 20 or above then you will be stopped by The Elder Council code.

Phoenix: I had (perhaps foolishly) assumed that you were using the http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22595. At the time that I made the patch that was the latest version of The Elder Council mod. I couldn't find any older versions. Therefore I designed and tested the patch on the latest version (v2.03) of The Elder Council mod. This version of the mod relies on http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=21104 to run correctly. That is why the patch requires COBL also. I would agree with you and recommend updating to the latest version of The Elder Council, as that is the one with which the patch is designed to run. If you do that and it still won't work from you don't worry, we'll see what we can do at that stage, but I'd be confident enough that an updated TheElderCouncil.esp and COBL.esm should be work for you. :twirl:

Sorry for the delays in replies.... Uhh, after updating it worked but without any confirmation box, it just gives me both Disguised and On Duty. It might be because I'm using the non-COBL version of the Dragon captions Elder Council.

As for town guards I think thats a great idea. I hate escaping from jail, killing the prison guard, putting on his gear and then walking outside to instantly be arrested again. Don't worry too much about the lack of replies. people are just fickle. Most people just can't think of much to comment on with small gameplay changes like this. On the bright side you know there aren't many problems if you aren't hearing anything.

That's the truth there ...

I've been back working at this mod for about a week now. I've got some new ideas in the works.

Sample Spoiler:

Also as of this moment, exactly 4,273 TES Nexus downloaders are One of the Gang.

Glad to hear it. This mod is great for my assassin character.

I'll have to get this mod...but then again, for the last few weeks I've spent 90% of my time browsing mods, and only 10% of the time actually playing the game.

Well I've finally decided to stop being stupid!

In the next version we'll see something that should've been in TRN One of the Gang from day one.

Townguard disguises!

Thats right! Anvil, Bravil, Bruma, Cheydinhal, Chorrol, Kvatch, Leyawiin, Skingrad watch out because a new guard is coming to town.

I've a question for anyone who would be so kind as to give their opinion.

What should happen if the player is wearing a Cuirass from one town, and a Shield from different town?

Do they become disguised as a guard from one town? Become disguised as a guard of both towns? Not become disguised at all? Player is prompted that this isn't a possible combination and is forcably prevented from allowing this to happen?

As you can see I'm brainstorming and I'd appreciate other people's thoughts.

I'd say not disguised at all. It would just draw too much attention.

Maybe explain that you're being transfered and they gave you all but the shield?

You got lost on a patrol, did something heroic in that town and became an honorary guard of that town, to which they gave you a shield.... That would be an interesting idea. Make it where you're not disguised as both unless the shield is special. Like the Ebony shield you get from a certain Chorrol quest... of course you'd have to make "honorary guard" quests for the other towns that would give you special shields. Probably outside the scope.

Perhaps wearing a Kvatch guard set could give you a portion of the disguise benefits in all towns... You know sort of a way of showing you pity, or respect for being a Kvatch guard.

Mostly though I've just always wanted to break out of prison, kill the jailer, steal his armor, and pretend to be a guard as I sneak out of town. So, YAY!

I just got a Wisdom tooth out this afternoon. OWWWWWWW!!!

Modding barely eases the pain.

Wow, this looks really cool, an imperial legion mod that lets you unofficially join haha, thanks i'll def try this out

Okay, heres how Townguard disguises are going to work:

- Human and elven races are required to wear the Cuirass only. They become disguised as a guard of the town whos cuirass they are wearing.
- Beast races, and Orcs, must wear both the Cuirass and the Shield to become disguised.
- The disguise depends on the cuirass rather than the shield.
- If the any race equips a mismatching Cuirass and Shield then they do not become disguised (unless their Speechcraft is above 75, in which case they can talk their way out of the unusual apparel)
- The Townguard equipment can be worn with Chainmail/Steel Greaves, Gauntlets and/or Boots.
- The generic Imperial Legion Shield can be used instead of a town's shield.

I'm looking into supporting other mods that add armour.

Currently I plan on supporting:
-Bartholm townguard armour.

Any other requests?

There won't be any sound effect when you change between townguard uniforms. It gets annoying, but you will have to be undetected when you change.

Progress Update:

For anyone who's interested, I'm working on a mini-Quest for any player disguised as an Anvil Townguard.

Progress Update:

Dialogue is not my friend. It put me though my paces tonight.

Progress Update:
The Anvil Townguard Quest is progressing nicely. It will feature 2 new NPCs, and will interact with some of the town's vanilla residents.
At this point I expect conflicts between this quest and the Open Cities mod. I plan, however, on patching it once the update is finished.
Edit: There shouldn't be any conflicts with Open Cities. (Yay for work-arounds).

Further Expected Features:
- Groundwork has been done to support Custom Race mods. For example, Hidden Elves will not require full equipment as before, they will have the same requirements as Dark Elves, Wood Elves, or High Elves. [This is included in the base mod and will not require a seperate patch!] :drool:
- The Imperial Legion Armoury is to have some more changes made. Disguised players will be able to spar with soldiers in the practice area.

Will guards become suspicious of you if you hang around too long around them?

Not necessarily. Once the player is disguised they won't be singled out unless they do something very obvious. Examples of things that attract attention are - forging Imperial Legion documentation, repeatedly assaulting a fellow guard, changing the player's apparel.
As far back as the Beta I had tossed about the idea of having it that if you got too close to a guard that they could recognise you, but play testing showed this to be very little fun. It ruined the immersion, I concluded that if you are disguised how does a guard spontaneously know that you are a fraud; unless you do something suspicious?

Have you any thoughts of your own that you'd like to share?