I'm not crazy about the idea of using historical groups as themes in Fallout, and I really didn't care much for the Legion. I mean, the Romans, Minutemen. It makes me wonder what we have to look forward to next. Nazis? I'd rather they took a more original approach. The Fallout universe is a strong enough theme in itself to be built upon.

the Enclave are nazi's

BOS military organisation is based around Paladins, Knights, Squires and Initiates......so a quasi-historical knightly order.

Caesars Legion didn't dress up as Legionnaries, fight with Gladius and Shields and bares next to no resemble to an actual legion or to Rome itself. If anything they resemble a Barbarian tribe trying to emulate Rome and getting a lot of the details totally wrong....which is what they are, take away the roman names and there is not much Roman Legion left in the Legion.

they do fight with giant hammers though, and are some of the few people to be very good with melee weapons, they DO dress as knights, the power armor was made to look like old plate armor in many ways. and of course, the military is entire orgranized by ranks including PALADIN, and KNIGHT, and SQUIRE.

Also, they DO want a kind of golden age, one based on technology.

also this.

I played some NV today, and srsly if Legion ever made an apperancein Fo4, I would squash them under my power boot; well given that I sided with them on one playthrough for the achievment .

Yeah well atleast they TRIED to look like legionnaries by wearing armor and having a machete instead of a spear... much more so than BoS wearing plate armor and having longswords while riding a horse. but yeah these faction have organisation titles of what they are trying to resemble.

I would much prefer Bethesda explore new venues than regurgitate old ones. The West Coast is a goldmine of new opportunities. Don't waste it on the same old ones like a lot of 3 was tied to focus wise.

nope, they looked NOTHING like realy legionares did at all, and they DID use spears just as much.

Again, BoS wear power armor, which is the modern equivilant to plate armor. Not all knights uses longswords either, actually only and idiot would use it against others wearing armor, since long swords are worthless against plate. Horses do not even exist anymore, and again, using modern equivilants like blimps and armored cars (possibly anyway)

Well not really as no Roman Legion ever remotely looked like Caesar's Legion and they totally missed out on the Iconic Gladius and shield combination....beyond a name and some roman ranks there is literally no link between the two.

I'm not sure what point your trying to make regarding BOS, since they are organised as a Knightly order but they are not trying to resemble medieval knights they simply used the template in the creation of their organisation and have done so through out the Fallout series.

My thinking is this. There is a lot of space between Arizona, where I suspect the Legion calls their home (unless you chose to take Vegas for them), and Massachusets. That's a lot of wasteland, and a lot of territory.

To think that the Legion would just bypass all of that, even scouting parties, to make it all the way to the ocean...Not seeing it.

The Legion would have to go through the Midwestern Brotherhood to get to Boston.

The Legion was effective...dang effective. But that's effectively crossing a military dictatorship and coming out the other side. More to the point, the Midwesterners recruit locally, meaning the Legion wouldn't just be messing with Wastelander settlements...they'd be messing with the Midwest's recruitment pool and their home towns.

I think any attempt by the Legion to push East would end...badly.

That said, a lone Frumentarii or recon squad as a random encounter wouldn't be completely unheard of.

Whatever, so Bethesda took over a knight order faction from previous Fallouts. BoS were essentially a must have for FO3 to include anyway. still doesnt destroy my point that the red coats are inspired on the popularity and badassedness of caesars legion in new vegas.

but they are not, they are based on an ENTIRELY difference concept from history.

I think it might be cool if you wandered to the very edge of the map in a certain place, and if you looked hard enough, you might be able to see 2 or so Legion scouts with binoculars. But other then that, it seems pretty unreasonable for them to come that far.

When you play Van Buren and you get to Denver, you meet up with a guy(can't remember his name) who actually travels west to Denver to escape the Legion and Caesar so the Legion would have had more territory. Also the Legion payed very well for captured Super Mutants that they took East(East of Denver). BIS was planning to make FO4 so I guess these captured Super Mutants would have served a purpose in their next game.

There is absolutely nothing but your own created logic, to say that Beth put Redcoats in F4, because of the popularity of Caesar's Legion wearing red in NV. In fact, the logic and reasoning goes quite counter to your own created version, as has been explained to you. It's Boston, the British during the Revolutionary War, occupied it, and the city was one of the flashpoint's of the American Independence movement. F4 clearly revolves around the Revolutionary War, not Ancient Rome. There's nothing there at all, to assume or try and compare with Caesar's Legion in the west, which was created by a guy who read some old world books and thought to make a group that acted out what he'd read in a book.

And as I said before, just because they're both wearing red for a main color, doesn't mean they're inspired by one another, or that Beth was inspired to create their own "red" faction. It's a coincidence.

But Van Buren was cancelled and never considered canon, so it doesn't matter what it did. Even then, Caesar himself says much of the Four States are his, so his faction is indeed a major power in the west. Not sure why we're questioning the Legion's size when it is already confirmed of the territory for which they possess.

I think the mistake people are making with the Legion is that they were never meant to emulate the Roman Empire as a whole with the same culture and values, they're a slaver army and are far from what the Roman Empire was, and no doubt Caesar knows this himself. However, the main similarity is how they're formed in the concept that they absorb and assimilate the tribes they've conquered. The tribes would lose everything they stood for, their culture and identity, and become one with the Legion. In some ways similar to Romanization. For example, every tribal that was assimilated into the Legion was forced to adopt a different name by Legion customs. That's as far as the similarities go, but it's still a significant one.

Now, for the topic at hand, I don't think we'll see any of the Legion on the east coast. What reason would they have to be there? Even more so the fact that Fallout 4 takes place in 2277 (or it is assumed at least because there is nothing that suggests otherwise). By this time are the Legion at war with the NCR during the first battle of Hoover Dam. Caesar has no reason to randomly have an interest in a place that is all the way across the country when he is at war with the west coast's most powerful faction.

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I hope to see the Legion in a Obsidian made FO 4 spin-off along with the NCR, The Followers of the Apocalypse, and a few others.

I doubt it. I think FO4 ... may... have some links to F: NV, but I think FO4 will more or less not have any other references to F: NV. It already has a predecessor in FO3 to get its plot kicks from and as has been mentioned F: NV is a long way from where FO4 is set (and 3).

The Legion is .. loathe to rely on technology (as is stated in the game several times.. and why I always found their use of tech in guns a little iffy). I doubt they would use transportation tech to move them around that fast. Technology leads to questions, questions lead to more questions, and the Legion dosnt want its people asking questions.. esp those questions.

except for the guns......the power fists........the auto-doc..........

Exactly!. After Caesar ranting on at me about relying on tech, he has an autodoc, his legionaires have guns and power fists.

Fallout to me has always been about things like that though. People telling me one thing and doing another.

I was just making a point, didn't say VB was canon. Most of the what we have already seen in 3 and NV has been cannibalized from VB anyway. I think it would be nice to at least have a reference of the Legion in the game, maybe from a caravan. Just to give FONV validity.

I think the Legion's use of tech in spite of anti-tech rhetoric was to showcase their hypocrisy.

One of the multitude of reasons the Legion is one of the most boring factions born in the Fallout lore. It really says something when Tribal and Raider Groups have more compelling histories and motives to them then a regional power. It might as well just be called "New Vegas Bad Guy Faction".

Cripes, the Enclave in Fallout 3 had more personality then the Legion.

So the Legion is actually the Low-Tech version of the Borg.

I like this ^