In my opinion Caesar's Legion was pure gold as a faction. They're not the faction I side with but I love their inclusion in FNV. Even if Caesar and Lanius die (which seems likely, seeing as they are the primary antagonists in all but one of the four possible endings) that of course will not mean the end of the Legion. One or several high ranking member will take the mantle of Caesar and continue their conquests against enemies or even other factions within the Legion, assuming they can't agree on a successor to Caesar/Lanius.

Anyway, my question is this: Do you believe we will see anything from the Legion in Fallout 4? They are obviously not a major power within Boston or the surrounding area and it's a long way from home, but do you think there is any chance they make an appearance? The BoS has sent scouts and patrols east, as far as Washington DC. I'm not sure if Caesar would do the same. Although if you were in charge of a massive army spanning several former US states' territory, you might send scouts into previously uncharted territory as you never know what you could find.

http://i.imgur.com/w0za4Em.png shows the Legion's territory and their distance to Boston. Yet the Western BoS was further away (and a faction with fewer people and resources) and they made the trip all the way east.

In my opinion it is unlikely a Legion victory at Hoover Dam will be canon. If this is the case that would mean the Legion has hit a wall in their expansion westward. Either the NCR will actively be hunting them down from the west or (more likely IMO) Mr House or Yes Man/the Courier stands waiting to smash them should they ever try to advance west again. So if they were to expand or move their army it would have to be north, east or south. Thus it would make sense to send scouting parties, I think. See what's up ahead if they decide to move in that direction. And moving east would put the most distance between them and those who butchered them at Hoover Dam.

What do you think? Is there a real possibility we will encouter any Legion scouts or are these simply the wishful ramblings of a madman in love with FNV?

from memory the western BoS used dirigibles to cross the distance, at least some of which crashed en-route.

........why? this is in Boston, which is VERY, VERY far away from

less of a possibility, and more of the fact they simply do not exist anywhere but nevada and a bit of the surrounding states.

BOS had airships and blimps to do it, they also once a FAR greater power then any other faction beyond the enclave (which had similar travel capabilties)

Yes true, but I didn't mean the "Midwestern BoS" that crashed near Chicago. I'm talking about the group of people with Owyn Lyons who were sent to Washington DC. I don't know exactly how it is they traveled but Vertibirds or similar transport were never mentioned in Fallout 3, I believe. They also passed through Pittsburgh on foot, otherwise they would have simply flown over it.

I think the Legion is larger than you think. I think they hold the entirety of Arizona, with parts of Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, and Utah. It's not a small faction held up in a single city. The historic Roman Empire made their way to Great Britain, which seems an absurd distance in retrospect. Yet they did it. Caesar's Legion was never intended to be focused on a small area, they want to expand and conquer. I really don't think it's outside the realm of possibility they sent scouting parties all the way to Boston.

Wishful ramblings.

While I would like to see even just footprints of the Legion's existence in Boston, it's likely we're not going to just because Bethesda is Bethesda and Obsidian is Obsidian.
What they could always make up though is a Raider group that's actually organized, competent, an actual THREAT to which ever factions they are going to provide us with.

Even though the Fiends were huge in NV they were still nothing more than a nuisance the NCR couldn't completely eliminate because of dealing with the Legion.

I agree with you regarding the Legion as "...pure gold as a faction." I never side with them; tried once and ended deleting the game. Human nature being what it is however, some political / military entity such as the Legion would, I think, be inevitable in the FONV world.

I suppose that anything's possible, but I'd prefer that the Legion not make any appearance in FO4; I'd rather that Obsidian make FONV 2 with the Legion as a central faction with Caesar dead from a tumor, Lanius dead from too great a tendency to see the Legion as a hammer and everything else as a nail, and Vulpes Inculta in command. With such a subtle, level- headed, and calculating indiviual in command, the Legion would pose a far greater threat to the NCR than Caesar ever did. Just my opinion though.

Lastly, I'd prefer that a Legion defeat at Hoover Dam be canon.

The Legion was interesting ... different ... but to be honest I wasn't really keen on the whole Roman theme in post-bomb NA. Seriously there is enough Western themes they could have used that would have made a lot more sense IMO. But whatever.

I really don't want to see the Legion ever again myself.

I agree with everything you've said. Though I would like a small appearance in FO4. Perhaps just a former scouting party cut off from any form of communication since their defeat at Hoover Dam. Sent with the mission to chart Boston and the surrounding areas but unable to connect to the rest of the Legion. Left to their own devices, so to speak.

Withe the ability to kill bothe NCR and Legion in the DLC of New Vegas, i doubt either would make it over there any time soon. Consider the fact that FO4 will likely play in and around the time of FO3, that puts it either before, or in maybe at the same time as FNV at the verry latest. This means Caesar is way to buisy in the Mojave and not focused at that time on expanding east yet.

Unlikely, simply because Caesar's interests don't lay east. To Caesar, all that is west of his territory, is what he despises the most, and he wants to destroy it. What lays directly east of him (as far as we know) are just more tribes to conquer, or subjugate. His territory touching the MWBoS's supposed territory, isn't known, and nor is it mentioned that Caesar even knows about them. Or sees them as a threat.

After thinking this issue over, I agree with you yet again. I would like to see a small appearance of the Legion- primarily because:

1. It would signify Bethesda acknowledging FONV;

2. Because it may suggest that FONV 2 is in discussion;

3. It would suggest that the Legion is expanding, and;

4. It can't hurt.

Just quoting myself to expand on it.

At the most with the constant "200 Years later" comment they make, the game will take place between 2277 and 2285. I doubt it would go anywhere beyon 2285 as a starting date, since they would probaly have said things like "aproxamitly 200 years" or "around 200 years" if the time frame from when the bombs fell too you getting out of the vault is more then 210 or so years after the bombs fell. This means Vegas hasnt concluded yet, so Caesar and the NCR/Legion battle isnt over yet, no need to focus east for him.

Also as he said, nothing intersting for Caesar east, just more tribals as far as he knows. NCR however he despises, and the West is far more intersting for him to conquer.

High unlikely, the fact that CWBOS (and the Enclave) made the journey isn't really a basis for others also being willing or able to make the journey. CWBOS use of Power Armour is a major force multiplier and I've always assumed that their recruiting of locals is due to the attrition they suffered making the journey (as well as there loses fighting super mutants in DC).

Could we have a small scouting party maybe, but what use is there for the legion in sending out scouts across to the east coast......travelling thousands of miles, foraging for food and water, scavenging for ammo, avoiding hostile raiders, tribals, slavers, deathclaws, radscorpions etc. To arrive on the east coast, then walk all the way back to the Legion and then what ?

The Legion has expanded by attacking neighbouring tribals and absorbing them into their ranks. If they follow that pattern eastwards your looking at decades at least if the state doesn't collapse at some point due to its longterm weakness of its organisation.

Even assuming your supported Caesar and the Legion in NV, the real NCR/Legion war would be a much more massive and drawn out affair, with the winner in all probability exhausted and easy meat for any other intact faction.

Also lets face it, NV is unlikely to be referenced in any way by Fallout 4, as events on the west coast might as well be on the moon to the population of the east coast and Bethesda seems to want to keep the west and coast games totally separate.

I dont think Bethesda will touch anything that was made/popularized by Obsidian. These two companies seem to work on completely different wavelenghts. Just compare FO3 and New Vegas one is completely filled with goodytwoshoes choices(no politics) the other one goes into morally grey (heavy political) areas. in fo3 you search for your dad in new vegas you're on a revenge mission.

Although the possible "red coats" which we will perhaps see in FO4 may have been inspired by caesars legion.

except new vegas had the NCR, which was a part of the original 2 games, and had many references to fallout 3.

The redcoats are inspired by the British, nothing at all to do with Caesar's Legion. That's quite a stretch to state something like that, so far from the obvious. It's Boston, F4 has obvious American Revolution inspired factions.

sure but the red coats and caesars legion are both factions based on historical people/empires. there was nothing like this in FO3.

Agreed, there are a couple of concept art pics of redcoats (the 'pirate' and another with two redcoats) and its probable that they will be the enemies of the Minutemen faction.

So they're inspired by historical empires, sure, that's obvious to anyone. But one does not take inspiration from the other, just because they happen to share the same color for their main identifier.

Indeed. "RobCo" didn't exist in the FOverse before FO3. And in FONV, the very founder of that company is a major player whose impact is felt even after his possible death.

the brotherhood of steel is entirely based upon the old knightly orders, so yes, there WAS something like it in FO3, and every other fallout game.

i was thinking more in the way that bethesda said "hey look at fallout new vegas those romans are pretty badass" "why not include a historical faction like the legion in our next game based in boston too?" and then boom the commonwealth comes in quite handy with the whole american revolution. because i dont see how bethesda was going to make FO4 based in boston just for the red coats. they seem to be put in just for the sake of new vegases historical reenactment. both are factions, both are based on empires, both are basically antagonistic, both have the color red, both want to return to a better time in the past etc.

but they didnt dress up like knights and go fight with swords on horseback, also they arent political like at all and have no vision to return to a golden age

The legion is WAY too far away to have any significant presence in/around Boston.