I'm no buff, but I'm speculating that the Tsaesci are technicly a beast race along with khajiits and argonians. Correct me if i'm wrong on the following info...

1. Any creature is considerd man if it is interfertlie with men/mer.
I've read this on wikipedia that took info from a daggerfall or arena book titled Notes on Racial Phylogeny.
Sloads are not consderd men, for example. If they were, they would be men that are not living in Tamriel.

2. After their invasion in 1E 2703, the Tsaesci assimalated with imperial culture, having children with imperials, and many imperials nowadays have Tsaesci blood in them. (Possibly)

3. So, Tsaesci are scientificly men, even though they are living on Akavir. (Making them Akaviri-Men)

4. Tsaesci are men.

Does this all make sense and has anyone else realised this?
Or am I just making a terminology mistake and they are men all along?

The Tsaesci everyone wants to see are in fact some sort of a Beast Race. However, evidence points to a Man culture in the same land as the beast race. Whatever happened to these men is open to speculation.

Tsaesci = immortal vampire snakemen.

Ding, ding, ding!

Yes I have thought about it and it's kind of already pointed out in many other threads about this thing.

Read Knight Mariels' post.

Tsaesci are men the same way the Ka Po' Tun are elves.
As simple as that.

everyone wants the tsaesci to be beastly snake-men, and are in a fit with the prospect that the in-game books may very well be fictional and untrue even in-game. afterall, the dwemer were suggested as actual dwarves in arena and daggerfall, and even the ayleid culture was suggested as completely different.

i bet that the tsaesci are men, probably asian-esque. their slanted eyes and tanned, yellow skin is alien to the people of tamriel, their armor, probably splintmail looked serpentine, scaly. calling them snake-men could no doubt just be old fashioned tamriel racism.

NO! Immortal, vampire, snake-men.

It waits to be seen, at the current point, but if that actually happens, I will start to be angered at Bethesda for butchering lore, I may even take the stance on "butchered lore" some fans seem to use of disregarding the new lore they do not like in favor of the old lore, making Dwemer into a race of techno-elves whose name was misinterpreted as "Dwarves" helped to enrich the lore and make it more appealing to me, but turning the Akaviri snake men into another generic race of Not-Asians with some vague associations with snakes would just serve to make the Elder Scrolls world a more bland place, in the mean time, they will always be immortal vampire snakes to me, anything less would leave me sourly disappointed with Bethesda.

As to whether they are Akaviri, it really doesn't matter what they are, genetically, they live in Akavir, and have remained there for as long as we know, by all accounts, they are people of that continent, and are therefore Akaviri, after all, we don't say that real people living in specific parts of the world are not actually people from that place because their ancestors migrated from somewhere else long ago, I wouldn't, at least.

You do realize that Asian people's skin isn't really yellow, right?


Also, the word is that they are immortal vampire snakemen.

if you read my post, particularly the last sentence, you'd see that blanket stereotype was to reinforce that particular point.

I'm sure the people of Tamriel can tell the difference between an Asian's skin color and golden scales.

While you're trying to mundify the explanation, does it bother you that there are no Asian people in Tamriel, but instead a bunch of alien-minded alien-acting alien snake-men?

perhaps, but it's not too far fetched that the descriptions were exageration, or maybe outright falsified, for the stories. afterall the books aren't historical documents. it's like the iliad. even in our history there is great exagerations of different cultures and races, some of which are very racist. there's examples of cultural racism regarding other cultures as apes, monkeys, snakes, pigs, etc.

not to mention they haven't been seen in a great many years.



doesn't bother me if they are snakemen or not, but i'm open to any development of lore. but to reinforce my point, being that there isn't any asian-esque cultures in tamriel, if the tsaesci were men of an asian-esque culture, to the people of tamriel on their first encounters, the tsaesci would look alien, act alien, hell everything about them would be alien. i would say the descriptions of immortal vampiric snakemen are more anology than fact.

It is highly unlikely that every single writer to even see the Akaviri used the same metaphor- and sources have said as much.

As for the absence of an Asian-esque culture, I am opposed to all gratuitous, uninspired 'esques,' and if they come in templates with quotas now, then that's five times worse.

just how many sources are there? i can't claim that i've read all the books in the games, but i at least know that they are mentioned in the mysterious akavir, the 2920 series, and vivec's lessons, all of those sources have to be taken with a grain of salt.

it honest doesn't suprise me that perhaps the tsaesci are grossly exagerated as they haven't been seen for 1100 years.

And you have to consider that one Tsaesci even became emperor of Tamriel once, if I remember correctly. It's not like they were always the enemy that needs to be described in the most horrible way possible. And if that guy was an emperor, there were probably lots of people who saw him - so if the descriptions of Tsaesci being snake-vampires were rubbish, then there would be at least some scholars who would complain about that.

Of course, it's also possible that the people of Tamriel back then knew exactly that the Tsaesci are no snake-vampires, but that this knowledge has been replaced by a nice myth when the Tsaesci became the enemy again. There are also good arguments for this - after all, they do come from a land that is full of (possibly golden) dragons, so maybe they make their armor out of their scales, which makes them appear golden-scaled - and the strange eyes make the people believe they are also partly vampires.
By the way, does anyone know if there were any Tsaesci around at the end of the second era? Because there's this one guy in the Redguard comic book... http://imperial-library.info/rgbooks/page.shtml?10... who looks very "Asian-esque".

V-A-M-P-I-R-E-S-N-A-K-E M-E-N.

not sure where I heard it, but one idea is that maybe during the tsaesci invasion they had human mercanerices or slaves to fight too, and when they lost they left these people behind........yet again not sure where i heard it. :shrug:

Yes, let's go ahead and accept this assertion. Especially since MK himself has said this many times. In Caps, as well.

Get ye to reading the most recent Tsaesci Creation Myth thread as well. If you don't want to search for it, just check my posts or topics i've made. And read the relevant texts some more as well.

Immortal Vampire Snakemen.

Yuan-Ti, where is the problem?

could be taken either way really.

i had to wonder if the tsaesci myth is influenced by the ga'ould from stargate, as they are basically immortal, vampire-ish, snake-looking things, who view themselves as gods. ga'oulds are what they "eat" when they take a host.

Immortal as in extremely long lifespans such as the elves, right?

Double post. my bad.

Immortal as in ageless, I guess.

It wouldn't surprise me if we see Japanese samurai as Tsaesci, much to my shagrin. If you do this to us Beth, please just demystify the whole contenent while your at it. Ice Demons and Akatosh incarnate are so lame.