i drew my onwn concept art and it looked basically like that.

agreed with Hellmouth, keep them out, Akivir needs to stay how it is, mysterious and far removed from Tamriel. If you read the 2E series you get the description of them beinf humanoid as Remens son Juliek duels with the Potes son.

maybe kamal spirits, but there's no reason for them to be akaviri in origins.


No, it's not a reference to Akavir. It's a reference to the broken state of the Empire. Didn't we deal with this months ago?


Everything considered, this probably won't be brought up in Skyrim.

why would they be involved?


Quite some distance. I'm inclined to think Nirn is smaller than earth, but it's probably on the other side of the planet.


About the potentate, who knows. I doubt they were in communication with their homeland though. We've got no reason to think their telepaths and it'd be a little too expensive to send a letter.

I dunno. I imagined the Tsaeci to look more like http://132.209.40.23/w4/campagne/images/WotC_Art_Galleries/Oriental_Adventures/Shinomen_naga.jpg.

I always imagined them varying in appearance, like the Argonians. It's how I reason why they're described differently in different sources.

Not my idea, though. I forget where I read it as a theory.

why cant ice wraiths just be undead who's souls were necromanced after being covered in ice?

I imagined them as mannish but with snake-eyes and large fang-like canines (kinda vampiric).

I think the thing everyone needs to see, is that the in-game descriptions are pretty much ambiguous enough that the developers can actually design them any way they want, and leave it as a mystery until they ever decide to introduce them. It could go any way really.

BECAUSE IT HAS TO HAVE AKAVIR!!!!!!

Isn't it a given that we'll be visiting Pale Pass in Skyrim? I really hope that they provide more clues. I say 'clues' because I kind of like the mystery of it. The mystery is part of the fun (and maybe frustration).


What do you mean? I thought Kamal were natives to Akavir and alien to Tamriel.


My bad. But you gotta admit, at the rate that redundant/duplicate threads have been lately, "months ago" is pretty good


It was presupposing a possible invasion by the tiger-dragon. Didn't it say that the Tsaesci were the one thing holding them back? I recall reading that the tiger-dragons saying that they intend to invade Tamriel, as soon as they deal with their enemies, the Tsaesci.

(enemy of my enemy is my friend sort of deal)

I like this one.


Nope, it's not a given. We could be visiting it, but just cause it might be in the area doesn't mean bethesda will include it. Besides, we've been there. The only thing of interest was the Draconian Madstone.


Not the Kamal, the ice wraiths. There is no reason for the Ice wraiths to be from Akavir.


You're thinking of mysterious Akavir. So, let's you bring you up to speed on that.


According to that text, the Ka'po'tun and Tsaesci don't like each other. The Ka'po'tun are, according to that text, led by Tosh Raka, who is supposedly the first of the tiger people to become a dragon. (note, the Ka'po'tun are not dragons, their tiger-people) This becoming of a dragon is probably actually Tosh Raka mantling Akatosh, the time-dragon, or, may be reflective of Ka'Po'Tun creation myths. either way, Tosh Raka is probably their version of Akatosh. The Tsaesci are, well, Akavir's version of men. (by version I mean their equivalent in a sort of symbolic, mythic sense, not a phenotypical sense) Ka'po'tun are basically the elves in this situation.

So, short of is, we've got no reason to think the tiger-people offed the snake people yet, and the only dragon around is probably Akatosh. This presupposes Mysterious Akavir is reliable in the least and wasn't written by a skooma addict.

And besides, with Alduin coming to end the world, why have any Akaviri race invade Skyrim? Alduin is the worst threat Skyrim faces. He's the rocks fall everyone dies of this setting. About the only thing that tops him in terms of doomsday scenarios is the dreamer waking up to go on a stroll down south boulevard.

I find it almost entertaining how people seem to still cling onto Akavir at this point.

If we did learn anything more about Akavir, I'd rather it would be something that raised more questions about it.

Because (say it with me now people): It's boring and therefore wrong.

That said akaviri origins for them are straight out. Ice wraiths are a cultural phenomenon of Skyrim. In traditionalist settlements the young go out and hunt them to earn full citizenship (this is or should be a nord-thing, otherwise it looses its special mystique). Any explanation for them would have to keep this in mind: They are an aspect of Skyrim culture and should thus be a product of Skyrim culture.

I dunno about you, but Akavir fanaticism to the point of trying to find Akavir in anything, without any real foundation, doesn't even come close to being able to claim BATW. BATW implies the alternate view is much more favorable and fun, dead kamal spirits isn't. It's an ass pull. And sometimes, the more mundane answer is more desirable, as it makes the actual exciting and interesting things much more exciting and interesting.

Seriously, this diehard Akavir attitude is almost as bad as the diehard attitude a Chicago Cubs fan will have, and it's just not healthy.

Hellmouth, did you even read my post beyond the BATW-joke? They're not from Akavir and they're not cheap necromancer parlour-tricks because neither of those explanations takes Skyrim's unique culture into acount.

indeed, i dont get the facination really and now days EVERYTHING has to have something to do with Akivir, oye..

You know what's would be really funny? All the bs that would be posted about gamesas "butchering" the lore if they ever did make a game dealing heavily with Akavir. They can't win. They Don't talk about Akavir, people say they want that, if they give 'em that, people are going to criticize them for butchering the lore.

I'm not fixated on anything having to do with Akavir.
Akavir lends itself to speculative discussions because of the unknown and alien lore surrounding it. And I think that may be the ENTIRE point to its existence. Sure, it has a huge impact on Tamriel in-game, but I feel it makes the game deeper without having lengthy descriptions.
I don't know what is so bad about wanting to expand the lore into new directions. So, whatever.

your right there. all the more reason to keep them in myth and legend and let us believe what we want.

i dont think anyone has a problem with expanding lore, its just that theres so many fanatics out there who keep trying to cram Akivir down everyones throats and attempting to incorporate it at every tuen which, in my own personal opinion, cheapens the mystery and attraction towards tge mysterious continent and its people.

Nope, because it was 4 a.m. when I wrote that.

Sure I know this isn't entirely related, but it really bugged me. The Blades Armor is closer to Roman Lorica Segmentia than anything oriental. I cant speak for the Bracers, Sabatons and Helm though. Or the Shield for that matter. it just looks like a stylized round shield, possibly covered with metal sheeting. The Most common shields were Oak or Hickory planks, with a metal band and metal sheeting over the face. Better to catch an arrow than deflect it into your partner. Same with spears/pilum/javalin.

The helm the blades wear is also Roman influenced. The shield just looks like an ornate small shield.

Thank you. I couldn't picture it while writing that. Of course the only reason i know lorica segmentia is that I own a replica suit.