I'm thinking there will be a lot of Akavir references within Skyrim, talking about the Akaviri invasion that tore through Skyrim. The reason I say this is because of http://cdnstatic.gamesas.com/akqacms/files/tes/screenshots/KhajiitTemple.jpg and http://cdnstatic.gamesas.com/akqacms/files/tes/screenshots/IceWraiths_wLegal.jpg. The Ice Wraiths seem to look like possible Tsaesci spirits and in the Shrine of Talos, Talos was posing to stab a possible Tsaesci.

That's just my thoughts that we might have several quests that are in reference to the Akaviri Invasion and possibly we might stumble upon some hidden ruins that are full of Tsaesci that were caught behind and are in hiding, that would be interesting if there has been Tsaesci hiding Skyrim for millenia.

I'm not a big fan of seeing races I can't play as. :shrug:

I think the Ka Po' Tun would fit better.

Oh god, don't look at TES, you'll be disappointed :tongue:



What makes you say that?

Is that definitely a shrine to Talos? Could it be an another ancient Dragonborn? Sorry if it has been confirmed, I must have missed that info.

Ka Po' Tun means Tiger Dragon Empire. They are led by a dragon with tiger coloring

What I don't get is the Akaviri Commander, Mishaxhi and the Skeletons looked to be quite human. Yet in a book it says that the Men were all "eaten" long ago. So were they "eaten" after the invasion or am I missing something here?

Bethesda made them that way. End of story.

Oblivion was just not accurate in lore department, thats all

It is believed that humans were still alive during the Akaviri invasion and they used them as foot soldiers. Eaten to vampiric snakes would mean feeding on their blood, wouldn't want to kill off your food supply imo.



Except Tosh'raka never attacked Tamriel in the past, the Tsaesci did.



Oblivion was accurate in lore just fine, it only had a discrepancy, all of which are explained by the fact that they have only a few accounts about Akavir and they were written by people that were speculating about them, which is what makes TES's lore so great is because it's much like real life how people can spread misinformation.

I mean normal races orginating from Mundus. I've never wanted to play a Dremora, Golden Saint, or Dark Seducer but if I saw a fully functioning Tsaesci, Ka Po Tun, or Sload I'd probably become frustrated knowing I wouldn't be able to be one.

But what about a minotaur or goblin or a spriggan hmy: Or a Dreugh!

He is still a dragon, and I believe I read somewhere in game that Tosh' Raka intended on attacking Tamriel after they killed the Tsaesci.

I don't think it's ever been clarified whether Tosh'raka is a literal dragon or just revered as a dragon among his people - but I could be very wrong, Akavir is far, far from an area of the lore I've explored in any depth.

Yep but he was also the only one to become a dragon as well, not to mention that there are other dragons that lived in the world other than just Tosh'raka. Tosh'raka was one of our first thought when we found dragons to be the main plot in Skyrim but he fell farther down on the list of culprits. He still lingers in the back of my mind as one but like I said, he is farther down on the list of likely culprits.

However, what I was saying is that the Tsaesci have already been on Tamriel and as you can see, they still have spirits that linger here. I would like to see that some Tsaesci got cut off and stuck in Skyrim and have been living here ever since. Imagine exploring a tomb and all of a sudden you hear some blood curdling sound and you get attacked from all sides by snakes wanting to svck you dry.

General consensus says it's out of date and inaccurate, intentionally, with the only Akavir book.

Personally, keep Akavir out of Tamriel and leave it as the mysterious eastern nation. Same with the southern continent, home of the Maormer.

It's almost certainly the shrine of Talos. The reason we say that is because it's identical to the concept art called "Shrine of Talos" and it looks like a shrine.

Very similar to the Khajiit. Or at least that's what people believe. It might become a bit confusing to have two cat races in it.

There's a piece of concept art showing the same shrine, and it's labeled as "Shrine of Talos" or something to that effect, so I don't see any doubt that it's a shrine of Talos, on the other hand, there's absolutely no indication that the snake on it is supposed to be a Tsaesci, since we've never seen them before and don't know what they look like. What little lore we have on them identifies them as snake people, but that does not automatically mean that anything that looks like a snake is automatically a Tsaesci, and in fact I highly doubt that snake is a Tsaesci, or if it's meant to represent them, it's not a literal indication of what they look like, because it is in no way humanoid and does not even have any arms, which is pretty impractical for an intelligent race commonly attributed to have provided the origins of things like katanas, which would be hard to use without arms, I think, unless all Tsaesci are telekinetic.

In any case, I'm guessing that if Akaviri races were to play any important part in Skyrim, we'd have heard of it by now, that doesn't mean we can't have a few quests or locations where Akavir-related things play some degree of role, I mean, I don't recall hearing that we'd see a quest where we had to go to a fort once occupied by Akaviri invaders to retrieve an Akaviri amulet in Oblivion, but we got it anyway. However, I think having Akaviri races playing any sort of important role in the game would be something Bethesda would feel is worth mentioning.



Don't expect fans to be capable of grasping that. If they see anything that isn't EXACTLY like how they imagined it to be, it's automatically "not accurate", which makes absolutely no sense when you consider that the "not accurate" lore comes from the people who create the lore, and therefore define what is and is not lore correct, and thus it cannot be inaccurate unless the creators actually recognize it as non-canon, which they clearly don't (Yes, I know that the elitist fans here hate to admit it, but it's the creators of a setting who decide what is and isn't correct in the lore, not the fans, but I know that's extremely difficult for some people to grasp.) never mind that the original account which what we're shown is percieved to contradict is both old, vague, and from the source of an in-game book which may not be completely accurate to begin with.

I tend to just accept the theory that the Tsaesci had not actually killed all Akaviri humans and used them in the invasion myself in regards to the skeletons at Pale Pass, because the alternative would be that the Tsaesci are not actually snakes at all but just humans in whose culture snakes play an important part, which is a much less interesting option, so in absence of evidence to the countrary, I'm inclined to just believe the more interesting theory.



I don't see how it would be less confusing than having multiple elven races or human races in the game. And just because both races are based on felines doesn't mean they can't be different enough to be easily distinguishable from each other.

Wasn't it Reman who repelled the Tsaesci invasion? And Tiber Septim/ Talos rose to power several centuries after that, after all the Tsaesci had either left Tamriel or been killed.

I take it you're not a fan then?

Oof. I'd love to see things from Akavir finally show up in Tamriel. It'd be sweet.

It indeed would be, some scouts or other agents maybe?

I personally was under the impression that Tosh Raka is Akatosh's avatar, and the Ka Po' Tun are simply the means by which Akatosh is attacking the world :shrug:

If that's the case then there should be a hell of a lot of Akaviri influence in Skyrim.

I thought the snake was a wyrm (dragon), but it could be an Akaviri.
I always thought Akavir was interesting and Id like to see more of them in Skyrim.
Books, a haunted ruin maybe, would be great.