Tsaesci

Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:55 pm

are they snakes in the literal sense? Or do they only have a snake-like appearance but bipedal like the races of Tamriel? what do you think they are?
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Brentleah Jeffs
 
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:48 am

    "I stand by my descriptions that the Akavir Potentates were serpentine, not only in temperament, but in physical appearance. Even if I did not have witnesses, there are too many descriptions of them as snakes to assume that all writers used the same metaphor."http://www.imperial-library.info/interviews/writers.shtml
I'd go with him; http://www.tamriel-rebuilt.org/forum/files/akaviri_162.png
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:05 pm

That depiction is very interesting. That could be how they look.
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Jessie Rae Brouillette
 
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:56 pm

That depiction is very interesting. That could be how they look.
http://trilliumcg.com/mattsworld/Images/trogdor.jpg
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Lauren Graves
 
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:08 am

They dont like wearing armor and prefer to master the art of making swords. I think they may also be somewhat small because when one of them was fighting an imperial royal at the arena, it described him as moving quickly around him and sometimes between his legs, leading me to think they are small as well. 2021 Morning Star I believe.

Just a quick thought. but that battle between the Tsaaesci and the imperial to see what method works better, the armor or the sword, seems like a metaphor between the political ideological battle that raged during the cold war.... hmm (I will not elaborate)
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:11 am

    "I stand by my descriptions that the Akavir Potentates were serpentine, not only in temperament, but in physical appearance. Even if I did not have witnesses, there are too many descriptions of them as snakes to assume that all writers used the same metaphor."http://www.imperial-library.info/interviews/writers.shtml
I'd go with him; http://www.tamriel-rebuilt.org/forum/files/akaviri_162.png

Moreover, the idea that Tsaesci would be humanoid is the best Elder Scrolls related example of BATW.
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:54 am

Moreover, the idea that Tsaesci would be humanoid is the best Elder Scrolls related example of BATW.


Bipedal, you mean.
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:44 am

Bipedal, you mean.

I did mean humanoid. There have been a lot of people around claiming that the human skeletons in Pale Pass were Tsaesci, which is still something different imo from snakelike creatures walking on their two rear limbs.

That little difference is of no significant relevance though, both claims would be BATW :P
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:51 am

I did mean humanoid. There have been a lot of people around claiming that the human skeletons in Pale Pass were Tsaesci, which is still something different imo from snakelike creatures walking on their two rear limbs.


I think the staff from bethesda was just too lazy to make new models
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:23 pm

While the skeletons and ghosts of Pale Pass are referred to as Akaviri, they are never called Tsaesci. Someone postulated that the story of the Tsaesci eating the men of Akavir was a metaphor, and they were in actuality culturally absorbed.
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:51 am

I think that quote has been svcked dry now.

Says, we want more new stuff to eat.
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:20 am

http://trilliumcg.com/mattsworld/Images/trogdor.jpg

No, you see, that picture has legs which sorta defeats the whole purpose. All the evidence presented to us (such as mentions of them 'slithering') indicate that they were not bipedal. Not to mention that there is no evidence in the lore of them ever flying or breathing fire (though the wings could be leftover from evolution and the breathing fire be a metaphor for the way in which they do business). Still, I do not at all find that to be an adequate representation of the Akaviri and believe that you should try slightly harder next time to come up with a more accurate picture. I will give you this for trying though, since I know it's hard sometimes: :icecream:
I think the staff from bethesda was just too lazy to make new models

Or the Akaviri had human servants/slaves/soldiers... and as has been said, they weren't necessarily Tsaesci...
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:41 pm

Or the Akaviri had human servants/slaves/soldiers... and as has been said, they weren't necessarily Tsaesci...


Or no one knows for sure and this question is entirely open-ended.
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:44 pm

Or no one knows for sure and this question is entirely open-ended.


I find the human-servants theory much more palatable though. The Tsaesci may have endeavored to take their own dead only.
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:15 pm

Or no one knows for sure and this question is entirely open-ended.

Oh, somebody knows, we just haven't been torturing the right people... :prod:
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:46 pm

While the skeletons and ghosts of Pale Pass are referred to as Akaviri, they are never called Tsaesci. Someone postulated that the story of the Tsaesci eating the men of Akavir was a metaphor, and they were in actuality culturally absorbed.

That was me, and it was nothing but a knee jerk reaction trying to save what little coolness was almost lost. I've come to realize that nothing was necessarily lost in the first place, so please disregard that theory.
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:23 am

I find the human-servants theory much more palatable though. The Tsaesci may have endeavored to take their own dead only.

I agree, besides, I doubt that men and man-eaters could coexist peacefully.
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:16 am

Still am not sure about humans as servants. I hate what that dev with the beckinsale avatar said about tosh raka saving them from tsaesci, lending them to their enemies, then saying we should take his word for it because he wrote the lore. Whatev.

But good ol' Adventurous Putty puts an alternative idea about Tsaesci origins and the Akaviri men's fate:

EDIT: In retrospect, this is really more a response to posts on the first page than this one. If you don't want to hear a lengthy (and likely incorrect) rant about the Snake-Men of Akavir, please ignore this an continue to talk about the Selectives. Hehehehe.
For the "Tsaesci-absorb-enemy-cultures" people:

Let's get this straight. The Tsaesci are http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/tsaesci.shtml Tamriel is a world of myth. You could -- could! -- say that the way that the Tsaesci "eat" people, such as the humans on Akavir, is by absorbing their culture. But look at this creation myth -- quite literally, "we ate it to become it." It's much, much more complicated.

Read the myth. Half of it is semi-technological mumbo-jumbo, but the basic idea, from what I gather, is that the Tsaesci are (or were) somehow able to take the very base identity of a god, a culture, a person, etc, its "name", and then consume it, absorbing it into their collective race's identity. This sounds very much like what you would hear about in a Dragon Break, particularly what the Tribunal did on Red Mountain -- rewriting history so that you, and in this case something else as well, are fundamentally changed, but it being as if it had always been so. In this case, the revision of history is that the Tsaesci took advantage of the shifting sands of Time during the Creation (and Merethic Era?) and rewrote their history so that the identities of previously existent (and presumably now nonexistent) cultures and even gods merged with their own, eventually creating "Tsaescance", or their ultimate form, as IMMORTAL. VAMPIRE. SNAKEMEN.

So this is what happened to the poor, poor men of Akavir. It wasn't just a matter of "cultural assimilation" -- they were consumed. Entirely. They were eaten, mythically, their very identities stolen, broken down, and melted to form the golden scales of some very greedy Snake-Men. It's more than death, and more than cultural assimilation -- it's a fate far worse than both. It's like historical revisionism, except you're the bit of history being erased (or, in this case, "reformatted.")

I can almost see these guys at a dinner party:

"WE ARE TSAESCI. WE ARE PERFECTION; PREPARE YOURSELVES FOR TOTALITY. WE WILL BREAK YOU DOWN INTO YOUR BASE MEMES...THEN EAT YOU. EXPECT US."


http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?s=&showtopic=847495&view=findpost&p=12368651

Very interesting idea, I admit.
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Jesus Sanchez
 
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:33 am

Adventurous Putty makes an awesome argument, or whathaveyou.
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Richard Dixon
 
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:23 pm

I don't doubt their serpentine nature, but I'm curious if they're actually vampiric. Snakes have been seen as symbols of immortality, as they shed their skin and become new again. The Tsaesci may actually just be immortal because they're snake-like. And snakes do tend to have fangs.
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:14 pm

Putty's post explains why they are vampire snakes most admirably.
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:36 am

:facepalm: I forgot the other reason I doubt they got true vampirism; they don't burn up in the sun. And snakes love the sun.
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:56 am

Aw...gee, thanks guys! :embarrass:

Besides, it's nothing that Kirkbride hasn't been telling us for awhile now, anyway, in his own demented, lateral way. In fact, the all-caps "IMMORTAL. VAMPIRE. SNAKE-MEN!" comes from him, not me.

So...yeah.
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:05 am

Hmm. This goes against the truth completely, but it would also make sense to have the men as ancient bitter rivals that became the Tsaesci's helots due to their superior life-spans and military prowess. You could even have the humans look asian, sort of how Ra Gada culture is a mix of African and Middle Eastern culture. Heck, you could have a revolution that sends thousands of refugees to Tamriel from Akavir.

Of course since none of that is true, that horse is just a wish,...and a mod.
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Post » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:51 am

Wasn't cyrodiil ruled by a Tsaesci for a short period? If so then why aren't there more images of the snake people? I think you would know the basic physical characteristics of your leader pretty well.
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