I'm sure some people may worry about that possibility. Personally, I don't think there is any danger of that happening.


I wouldn't know about blowing away the guys begging for water. I play as a good guy. My karma is off the charts. Actually, the dismembered bodies on chains and such do bother me but I can kind of ignore those. It's the exploding heads and animated decapitations center-screen that are hard to ignore. I'll cop to being a middle-aged wuss.

By the way, I killed a Super Mutant brute with a b-b gun. Anybody else ever do that? It took forever and it was hard avoiding his minigun. When I finally ran out of ammo, the brute and I were both about dead. I ran around behind him and finished him off with a lucky shot from a basebal bat. My son and daughter cheered. Ah, family bonding.

Yeah, we do too. In fact, I think we may be ahead of you in depression and suicide rate. But I should clarify that I'm a big believer in free speech, so I am definitely not promoting censorship. Censorship is when I try to control what YOU see and hear. I'm not asking for that. I'm asking for the option to control my own game-play experience, not yours.

I come from the land of censorship, wich happens to be next to Nevada. And guess what , They have a very high rate of domestic violence , meth users and basically F'ed up people.

Also, I assumed you meant California, but I could be wrong. California, specifically North Hollywood, is also the world's biggest supplier of porm.

No ... that would be Utah

I see your distinction with the censorship issue. But realistically , your talking about asking Beth to release 2 different games.

Maybe with the future technologies and fallout 4 it will be easy enough. And they should for marketing potential.

I mean all those good mormon boys will want to play something their mothers approve of.

I grew up with friends that said Face cards were evil. They are the depiction of the devil supposedly.

I grew up with friends that said Face cards were evil. They are the depiction of the devil supposedly.

You mean... they're not? Thank God. "Go Fish" is back on the table.

You know what got my goat was my dad (a devout mormon) liked to play the game Rook.

And what does the rook card represent?

Haveing #'s instead of the King,Queen,Jack (as rook does) is no more saintly a game. Is it not?

Incase you didnt know Rook is very similar to the game of "Spades" Its just played with a non Face card deck.

I see your distinction with the censorship issue. But realistically , your talking about asking Beth to release 2 different games.

I don't know if that's true. I'm a computer programmer, and though I am certainly not anywhere near as talented as the folks behind Fallout, I do know a thing or two about object inheritance. It seems to me that a goreless Fallout would actually be realtively easy to accomplish. The only hard part would be paying for the extra hours of the voice actors' time. Perhaps someone who knows the internals of game programming may wish to correct me on this point.

I haven't the foggiest. Rook is one game I've never happened to play.

Did you ever play spades or pinochle ? Not much different. The Rook card is a black crow , sorta evil lookin. Hence my disgust.

Well since youre good at comps. Why dont you explore modding fallout3 for a more palletable version.

Dont you have a PC version? If not , then get one. Download the GECK and start changeing it. IF your successfull enough you can release your mod of it for others to enjoy.

Basically ,,, put your skills where your mouth is.

@ Forbin

Look I know you probably think I said that in angst.

But no , it was to tell you of the possibility of creating your own world.

If you like that sort of thing , modding fallout3 can be more engrossing than actually playing it.

I just merley threw down the gauntlet of the tedious work to remove the content you find offensive.

I'm not sure it that's true. As a computer programmer I am not as talented as the folks behind Fallout, but I do know a thing or two about object inheritance. I have a feeling that creating a gore-less experience would be relatively easy. And now that I think about it, even most of the profanity may be relatively easy to edit out of the voice track without having to make the voice actors do everything twice. However, I don't know how the lip-syncing technology works.



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@ Forbin

Look I know you probably think I said that in angst.

But no , it was to tell you of the possibility of creating your own world.

If you like that sort of thing , modding fallout3 can be more engrossing than actually playing it.

I just merley threw down the gauntlet of the tedious work to remove the content you find offensive.

Nope, didn't suspect that for a moment. I heard it the way you meant it, and in fact you are right. I had already looked at the possibility of modding and using the GECK, but I have this small problem. I already work 14 hour days. I don't have the time to invest, so I guess if I continue playing Fallout, I'll just always aim for the chest.

1) Bethesda will never give us that option

2) Not really. Just have a built in mod that if you select "Yes" will auto censore the words, like this [censored] [censored] [censored]. Don't need to re write the game, just have a "Beep" when someone says a swear. Yeah it breaks immersion but it is an option and best that can be done for those that don't want swearing.

3) Again a simple mod could be made that when you select "Yes" will remove those items. Such as the gore bags and the bodies hanging from chains. Just have all those items tagged from the start so the devs don't have to go though the whole game later.

The key thing you missed is "It would be an OPTION." I am not asking the game to be made like Zelda. Fallout Tactics has an option to select the amount of swearing, blood and gore in the game. So there is no reason why such an option can't be put into the game.

So do I; and it was part of the franchise prior to Fallout 3. IMO it should have been planned from the design stage for FO3 and NV.

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*ahem* Sorry OP, sometimes we have members who for some reason, when they don't like a point of view, forget the forum rules. Disagreeing with someone is fine on this forum, as long as it does not devolve into a personal attack, or general rudeness. Re-opening threads after deleting some posts.

I honestly don't believe it's that hard to select a mode that could ultimately alter dialogue. Just record two of the same line basically. 'That effin guy is such an ahole who is a (female dog), could easily have a second line recorded that says 'That freakin' guy is such a chump who's a coward.' I'd honestly prefer it that way. If you rely on cursing to sell your dialogue as 'convincing', you clearly aren't a good writer.

@Thread- That said, I don't see a problem with Zelda games I find them more relaxing than Fallout tbh.

For those of you on PC, there is someone working on removing the curse words in Fallout3. It can be found here: http://fallout3.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=14159.
For those of you on game console, sorry, your sol. If you can, get a PC and enjoy an expanded version of Fallout by the addition of mods to really make it your game.

I think to avoid 'choppy' speech, that the lines that had profanity would have to be doubled (recorded twice; once with and once without).

I think that it would be cheaper to script a 'BEEP' for the duration of the swear word, and would actually be pretty cool for most ~(and lead to some gut twisting hilarious youtube videos full of unnecessary censorship).

Possibly, but possibly not. I've played quite a bit with sound editors and found that completely removing words and phrases or replacing them with other words can indeed lead to choppiness. However, that's when you're playing with recorded dialog that was not intentionally designed to be edited. If voice actors speak their lines in a way that makes editing out the questionable phrases possible (by not running words together) and if you have access to the isolated voice track, the quality can be made quite good. "I'm going to effin kill you" can be spoken naturally while still leaving a discrete silence between "to" and "effin," which enables the editing. Then it can be turned into "I'm going to kill you" pretty cleanly. A phrase like "You're an effin pig" would be problematic because simply cutting words would make it either "You're an pig" or "You're pig," neither of which makes sense. You'd need a set of stock phrases from the same voice actor that could be dropped in on-the-fly. (A pleasant side effect would be that NPC's would not always say exactly the same thing.) From a development standpoint, someone would have to manually tag the voice track with markers to indicate the beginning and end of sections that need replacement. Written out, it would look a little like HTML. So the phrase would become "You're [article_expletive] pig." The software would then replace the tag with "an ugly" or "a freaking" on the fly.

That said, it would probably be easier and cheaper to have the voice actors record the questionable lines twice (i.e., Gizmo, you're probably right after all). But, being a programmer, the first idea sounds way more fun.

It can be done, and I've done it before myself, but I think that getting them to say it just right in as few takes as possible would present its own (additional) difficulty.

Years ago Tom Baker (aka the 4th Doctor Who), recorded 11,000+ lines of phrases for BBC telcom, for the deliberate purpose of programatically (?) converting arbitrary typed text into human speech; it worked well, but it still sounded like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23gGpGTPqyY#t=04m00s

The problem I see with recording the line twice is the cost. Voice Actors need to be paid and aren't they paid by the line? or something like that. If Bethesda felt there was a demand to have swearing reduced, they would just reduce the swearing in the game. Fallout 3 had very little swearing compaired to New Vegas. Cassidy swears like a sailor. I love the swearing, makes the game feel more real, more advlt.

Beeping the swears would be alot cheeper and easier than having new diolague to replace them. It would also be better than simply not having any swearing in the game.

Right, that's what I said at the beginning--i.e., It would add cost to the production. But, even so, I think the extra cost for the voice talent might still be a small fraction of the sales revenues.

The thing is its a business and if they felt there was a large enough demand to reduce swearing, they would take the easy way out and just not have alot of swearing in the first place. I want swearing in Fallout. So just having an option thay simply *Beeps* out the swears would be a good option. Get to have swearing and it wouldn't cost much at all.

For those that don't want swearing it would svck a little to have to listen to *Beep* *Beep* *Beep* *Beep* but really how is that any different from watching a movie on TV? I really hate Diehard on TV "yippee ki yay Mr. Falcon" It so stupid! I would rather just hear "Yippee ki yay *Beep*"

Some advlts simply have the PC (or console & tv) in the family room (or near about), and don't want the swearing ~and for those instance, I would recommenced headphones.

IMO a Fallout game without moderate swearing is like a Mario Brothers game with moderate swearing ~ inappropriate.

I understand that. The Op is a father and I am sure he doesn't want kids to hear swearing. Headphones would work but you still have the words shown on the screen so they would need to show up as *Beep* or [censored].