Twilight and love? : Othor Games

» Tue May 17, 2011 5:45 am

They don't show ANY common interests, ANY qualities described as foundation for attraction - besides Edward's [apply thesaurus] chest - thus there is NO reason shown for them to be together. This is one big bloody Mary Sue story. Insert your own fantasies, the author will not provide any, so you can imagine something up.
That's the core of the issue. Really, really bad story-telling. And the less I say about the "style" of writing, the better. The books can get away with my euphoric high, at least this time. :shifty:

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:20 am

It's not so much the making of mega-bucks, but the sheer amount of attention the series has gotten. People wouldn't care if Twilight was something only known to a few people, because weird crap is easily ignored when it's not popular. When it's more common, more in your face, more famous, like twilight is, your less likely to be able to ignore it, more likely to become curious and check it out, and then Twilight just happens to fit our forum community's definition of crap.

Well put. I myself have no interest in it, but I get the feeling that it gets more hate than it deserves. Kind of like how Justin Bieber's "Baby" on Youtube has more hits than any other video on the site, but the dislikes outnumber the likes nearly 2 to 1. Plus it's practically a meme on Youtube to make fun of him.

» Tue May 17, 2011 4:59 am

Start off here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L253VLwH3w

I... can't... stop... watching...

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:48 am

I think someones love for a series has gone a bit too far when themed dlldos are made.

Okay that's being sigged.

Anyway the series messed with what a Vampire is and that's just not forgivable. It's also creepy and as one person above said the so called "Love" in the series needs a Restraining Order at the very least.

» Tue May 17, 2011 9:49 am

I remember reading an article on another site, no no faces, its just in twilight, vampires sparkle, and someone decided to make a six toy that sparkles... Yeah I lost faith in humanity after that too. Luckily I dont think people are that insane to buy it.

And pretty much what I said earlier, seperating a person from everyone and making them dependant on you seems like a tactic an abusive person would use, why else would people tolerate that [censored].

IIRC freezers are involved in the process. The vampires in Twilight are cold to the touch.

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:07 pm

I can say in all honesty that I have never watched an episode of Twilight. I have no idea what it's about other than it has vampires in it.

» Mon May 16, 2011 11:25 pm

My friend likes Twilight... every time I say something bad about it, he yells at me like I just had killed somebody. Yes, I said HE.
The books are crap, the movies are worse, the plot doesn't make any sense, the caracters are horrible and cliche and Edward and Jacob are [censored]. Also, they can't triforce (don't ask me why I added this comment).

» Tue May 17, 2011 1:47 am

My friend likes Twilight... every time I say something bad about it, he yells at me like I just had killed somebody. Yes, I said HE.
The books are crap, the movies are worse, the plot doesn't make any sense, the caracters are horrible and cliche and Edward and Jacob are [censored]. Also, they can't triforce (don't ask me why I added this comment).

Why did you add that comment?

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:57 am

Why did you add that comment?

So you could ask why I made that comment...
So yes, my friend has been brainwashed by his girlfriend. Any advice?

» Tue May 17, 2011 8:38 am

I know some guys hate twilight. but why? Guys tend to say, 1. cuz it's "gay"; 2. they are not true vampires; 3. the book is mediocre; 4. the plot doesn't make sense. 5. movie is bad

1. It's not gay, read the book. It's like an adventure book with a love story in it.
2. Well, what IS a true vampire? Dracula? I agree with that, but it takes some imagination to come up with the Twilight Vampires.
3. Mediocre as in bad, or average?
4. The plot makes alot of sense, read the book and you'll get it.
5. Yeah, they kinda are.

I read all the books before there was news aof a movie, before all the 13 year old girls became obsessed with it like Justin Bieber, and I liked the books. They were pretty good, the reason I read them was it was about Vampires, not the love story.

» Mon May 16, 2011 11:34 pm

1. It's not gay, read the book. It's like an adventure book with a love story in it.
I dont know about the context here, but sometimes people just say "gay" instead of saying its stupid/bad (I dont get it either) I dont think he actually things its gay.
2. Well, what IS a true vampire? Dracula? I agree with that, but it takes some imagination to come up with the Twilight Vampires.
Yes dracula, or the real life vlad the imapler (dude was [censored] badass and insane)
No it takes no imagination, see what she did was take a fairy, rip the wings off, make it lifesize, and call it a vampire.
Its no more a vampire than http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSkUUvjw6oTyvLOUj2SuHIFTHYYekOoOWHa9fPWjm37dcJXwK8kXw is a dragon
3. Mediocre as in bad, or average?
bad
4. The plot makes alot of sense, read the book and you'll get it.
No no it dosent. Stalking + people occasionaly making eye contact + a guy isolating a woman from her friends so she becomes dependant = a creepy stalker possessive relationship.
Not a love story, she [censored] up vampires, and [censored] up love, twilight makes no sense and should be burned.
5. Yeah, they kinda are.
yep
I read all the books before there was news aof a movie, before all the 13 year old girls became obsessed with it like Justin Bieber, and I liked the books. They were pretty good, the reason I read them was it was about Vampires, not the love story.

No it wasnt about vampires. You cant just label something as somethig it isnt, iirc there was a book I read called http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Call_of_the_Wild. A ~~dog~~ chupacabra ends up living with ~~wolves~~ chupacarbras in the wild iirc after he was captured and abused by ~~humans~~ zombies. The book is about chupacarbras and zombies.
Unlike twilight being a fail book for vampires and plot, this book is actually good.

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:50 pm

It's a trashy romance novel. Nothing more, nothing less. The only thing that separates it from other trashy romance novels is that it's popular and had movies made about it. As someone commented earlier, if they weren't popular, no one would care how they portray vampires. I don't care for them myself, but I don't have rabid hatred for them or anything. They're just books written by a hack author.

Personally, I dislike Anne Rice's books more than I dislike Twilight.

» Tue May 17, 2011 1:48 am

They are, in my personal opinion, simply poorly written books, with shallow characters, a female protagonist who is basically a cipher, a junvenile depiction/idea of the "perfect" man. Don't know what that has to do with "love", except for young tween girls, who find it all romantic, because, well, they don't know much about real life yet.

This pretty much sums it up for me.

And as Ambrose51 points out they certainly are trashy romance novels. I could understand if someone liked it for the cheesy factor. But seeing as how serious the fans seem to be that's not the case.

» Mon May 16, 2011 11:32 pm

I haven't read the books, nor have I watched the movies.

But I like jumping on the bandwagon when it's about unimportant things, so....yeah....twilight svcks! Yeah!

» Tue May 17, 2011 5:27 am

My wife read it for her book club. Most of the girls liked it as bubble-gum fiction. However, she and another were rather desturbed by the book and the way it portrayed the relationship domineering and manipulative.

That's all I got, never read it. :shrug:

» Tue May 17, 2011 8:36 am

I remember reading an article on another site, no no faces, its just in twilight, vampires sparkle, and someone decided to make a six toy that sparkles... Yeah I lost faith in humanity after that too. Luckily I dont think people are that insane to buy it.

Sparkles existed in toys of that nature, long before Twilight.

And pretty much what I said earlier, seperating a person from everyone and making them dependant on you seems like a tactic an abusive person would use, why else would people tolerate that [censored].

Agreed, definetly not healthy.

Lot of my teenage students have read it, poor girls, they think it's the map to true romance.

» Tue May 17, 2011 6:23 am

No it wasnt about vampires. You cant just label something as somethig it isnt, iirc there was a book I read called http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Call_of_the_Wild. A ~~dog~~ chupacabra ends up living with ~~wolves~~ chupacarbras in the wild iirc after he was captured and abused by ~~humans~~ zombies. The book is about chupacarbras and zombies.
Unlike twilight being a fail book for vampires and plot, this book is actually good.

But they still possess characteristics traditionally associated with vampires; subsisting on blood, superhuman strength, speed, and durability, and propagating by biting mortals. Oh, and as long as they stay out of the sunlight, they can pass themselves off as mortals.

And notwithstanding that yes, Dracula had a much more impressive mortal inspiration, and is a much more interesting vampire (it also helps that being the villain, he's not subject to as much criticism of his behavior), he too was able to survive in sunlight.

» Tue May 17, 2011 4:31 am

They are, in my personal opinion, simply poorly written books, with shallow characters, a female protagonist who is basically a cipher, a junvenile depiction/idea of the "perfect" man. Don't know what that has to do with "love", except for young tween girls, who find it all romantic, because, well, they don't know much about real life yet.

:foodndrink: lol

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:24 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSkHhtF7iJQ

» Mon May 16, 2011 11:46 pm

Spot on. Hate that these young girls are getting fed this kind of garbage and giving them unrealistic expectations.

I just think it gives young girls the opposite of a healthy idea of what a good relationship would look like. If you have an Edward IRL, I'd go for a restraining order.

It wasn't til I read these quotes that I basically realised Twilight is for young girls what porm is for young men. They grow up with an unhealthy idea of what your partner is going to be like in a relationship. Girls expect ridiculous amounts of romance and neediness, boys expect women's bodies to look like perfection.

Stefanie Meyer isn't really doing anything that Disney and the porm industry hasn't been doing for decades... :shrug:

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:01 am

The Mrs likes it, but im not fan, I then asked her to watch Interview with a Vampire with me, told her a brief plot outline on the film, we watched it for five minutes before she went on a rant at how nasty vampires are in it, flipin eck......
Vampires are predators of humans right? well thats how they are perceived in films and books ect. its there nature to feed when hungry, there isnt any shades of morality, just as the lion kills the zebra, they do it to "live", they dont however mollycoddle pathetically insecure girls, constantly playing the damsel in distress. that doesn't show any motivation or desire to pursue any kind of education, work, or any aspect of normal living.

» Tue May 17, 2011 6:53 am

I know some guys hate twilight. but why? Guys tend to say, 1. cuz it's "gay"; 2. they are not true vampires; 3. the book is mediocre; 4. the plot doesn't make sense. 5. movie is bad

Personally I tend to agree that the whole saga has a somewhat girly- fantasy touch that triggers our ( I mean guys') inner, secret, hidden thoughts of "I hate girls, girls are ridiculous" from when we were very young, like 4, or 5 years old. Despite the fact that vampires are poorly implemented in the story, what about the love aspect? I used to hear from a friend, a 20+ year old girl, that twilight (the first movie) depicts the perfect love and that a perfect gentleman like Edward (NOT Robert Pattison) is now nowhere to be found. I'm sure many twilight fans have the same feeling towards him.

Let's also ignore the fact that Edward is ridiculously rich and handsome and is a vampire, then what quality does he posses to be highly regarded by ladies alike? What kind of love is he giving to Bella to be valued as perfect love from a perfect gentleman?

Let's discuss

and let's also try to stay away from talking about vampires, let's just assume that Edward is not a vampire.

Yeah I know what you mean. Just men with insecurity issues. If I like the movie I will say so. Which I did... Well honestly I only liked New moon. Twilight and eclipse were just cheesy (though I guess it's supposed to be that way).

I wanted her to be with wolfie. :shrug:

Ditto

PS Still riding naked through the wild on horse back???

» Tue May 17, 2011 1:04 am

Sparkles existed in toys of that nature, long before Twilight.

Agreed, definetly not healthy.

Lot of my teenage students have read it, poor girls, they think it's the map to true romance.

Well I assumed that... How are we even talking about this on agames forums 0.o
So they pretty much stuck the brand on and it sold like hot cakes, kinda like halo.
As for romance thats the issue, I wouldnt mind if it was some sappy romance crap, but its not, its pretty messed up, and could have serious consequences if someone sees that as a "loving" relationship.

But they still possess characteristics traditionally associated with vampires; subsisting on blood, superhuman strength, speed, and durability, and propagating by biting mortals. Oh, and as long as they stay out of the sunlight, they can pass themselves off as mortals.

And notwithstanding that yes, Dracula had a much more impressive mortal inspiration, and is a much more interesting vampire (it also helps that being the villain, he's not subject to as much criticism of his behavior), he too was able to survive in sunlight.

IIRC Edward is some weird vegitarian vampire... Who sparkles.
Super strength, speed and durability dont make you a vampire, the only reason the word vampire is there is to attract the emo kids.

The mortal inspirationdidnt seduce women, drink blood and do other vampire like things either. Vlad just impaled a [censored] load of people to scare away his enemies, and got a bat [censored] insane reputation as a result.

It wasn't til I read these quotes that I basically realised Twilight is for young girls what porm is for young men. They grow up with an unhealthy idea of what your partner is going to be like in a relationship. Girls expect ridiculous amounts of romance and neediness, boys expect women's bodies to look like perfection.

Stefanie Meyer isn't really doing anything that Disney and the porm industry hasn't been doing for decades... :shrug:

I disagree. While porm does set unrealistic expectations, it wont have the same negative effect where a controling, stalker boyfriend = loving. That will lead to some seriously bad things.

» Tue May 17, 2011 5:00 am

Yeah I know what you mean. Just men with insecurity issues. If I like the movie I will say so. Which I did... Well honestly I only liked New moon. Twilight and eclipse were just cheesy (though I guess it's supposed to be that way).

Hah, prepubascent woman!

» Mon May 16, 2011 11:24 pm

Ditto

PS Still riding naked through the wild on horse back???

In my mind darlin', only in my mind. I really don't want to be bunking with Big Bertha, so I have to be content with doing it in my mind.