Two Handed Weapon AND SHIELD

Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:27 am

Sounds like you want to go to the inventory, equip shield, then reequip sword.

Nope, have the shield equipped already, on your back, if you need it press block with some additional button close to it to block with the shield on your back, (if you do not have two handed weapon in your hand, then just pressing block button will use the shield.)
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Post » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:23 pm

So you want to break the skill system?

What are you talking about? Where did I say that?
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Post » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:53 pm

While realistically you can hold a two handed weapon with one hand, in the game you lose the ability to do so for balance reasons. It's the same reason you can't block when you wield a spell/weapon. Two-handed is about sacrificing the defense of a shield to swing a powerful weapon around. Being able to wield it one handed with a shield effectively makes one handed weapons pointless.
Maybe there could be a perk for it, but in my opinion it still sounds unbalanced.
Nothing is stopping you from using a shield anyway. Just carry one around and assign it to a hotkey and use it as you need to. Same principal.

You also are not getting it it seems. Forget about a perk right now to swing one handed with a two handed weapon. If you are blocking with a shield, and your two handed weapon would be in one hand, you would not be using the two handed weapon, this would just be for blocking against certain powerful attacks. How likely am I to block an arrow with a blade? How about with a shield?

When you are done blocking you could put the shield back on your back and continue fighting with your two handed weapon.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:21 am

What are you talking about? Where did I say that?

There's a one handed skill and two handed skill for a reason.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:31 am

There's a one handed skill and two handed skill for a reason.

Where am I going against that? If you are referring to the perk to be able to use a two handed weapon one handed then that has costs, and it is not the main point of this thread anyway. Plus realistically yes there are people strong enough to use a two handed weapon one handed. But that is not even the main point of this thread. It comes second to the main point of this thread. Please read my op again.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:05 pm

Hi everyone,

I hope dev(s) come across this and make it possible to equip shields with two handed weapons. Realistically if I fought with a claymore, I would have a shield on my back in case a/some archers started firing at me. I would be able to hold my claymore with one hand and block in coming arrows. This would not only be for archers also against anyone/thing with a POWERFUL hit and/or against fire from a dragon and/or magic from a wizard.

Also for just having a shield equiped when not in battle in case someone/thing attacks you out of nowhere, so you can raise you shield and block fast.

EDIT - Also this is PRIMARILY about being able to equip and block with a shield while equipped with a two handed weapon, and after putting the shield on your back being able to fight again with your two handed weapon.

ALSO EDIT - A secondary could be having a perk being able to fight with a two handed weapon one handed and only after you have 100 strength and 100 endurance, and you take a penalty to damage output, and not be able to do perhaps some two handed attacks.

I really hope this gets implemented. Also devs please check out - http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1159022-tes-v-skyrim-new-things-that-should-be-imo/

Thank you,

Knight777


Realistically, no one would shoot arrows at you from behind, as that would mean your own people would be firing at you, and, no one on either side would fire arrows once armies are engaged. It'd also make it very difficult to fight with a heavy 2-handed sword with a shield attached to your back, as it'd hinder your swing. And realistically, it'd take you some time to get your shield off your back and square with it, so you really can "raise your shield fast" if it is on your back.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:49 am

Where am I going against that? If you are referring to the perk to be able to use a two handed weapon one handed then that has costs, and it is not the main point of this thread anyway. Plus realistically yes there are people strong enough to use a two handed weapon one handed. But that is not even the main point of this thread. It comes second to the main point of this thread. Please read my op again.

You want to level up 2 handed weapon skill, but get the benefit of of using a shield like a one handed weapon user gets. Theres the problem. So if you can hold a 2 handed weapon with one hand to use a shield you should be able to do the same to cast magic? That defeats the entire purpose of the new combat system. Each hand is independent and you equip a weapon, shield, or magic in each hand.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:45 pm

I think you should:

1) simply block with your two handed weapon. It's far from as good as a shield is against arrows, but I guess it could work on some occassions... some rare occassions.

2) simply sheath the two handed weapon, and when you have it sheathed, your shield will be equipped automatically. Morrowind kind of had this. You could have a shield and a two handed weapon equipped at the same time, but the shield only showed up when the two handed weapon was sheathed.
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Post » Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:18 pm

The ability to attack with a 2h weapon AND block with a shield? No, don't be absurd. That's the most unrealistic thing I've ever heard.
Having a shield slung on your BACK however, sure. That's reasonable enough.
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Post » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:11 pm

Realistically, no one would shoot arrows at you from behind, as that would mean your own people would be firing at you, and, no one on either side would fire arrows once armies are engaged. It'd also make it very difficult to fight with a heavy 2-handed sword with a shield attached to your back, as it'd hinder your swing. And realistically, it'd take you some time to get your shield off your back and square with it, so you really can "raise your shield fast" if it is on your back.

The shield would be on your back to be able to get it off for blocking purposes.

There are arrows fired even when two armies are engaged

A shield is probably not going to hinder your swing if it is on your back. Think about it. It is the practical way to carry a shield unless you have it on your arm for some reason.

A person who knows he is going to be in battles can have his shield ready to go from his back fast, it certainly does not have to be a slow process getting your shield off your back to block with it. Plus the raise your shield fast to block if you do not have your two handed weapon equipped if I remember correctly can be done if you have the shield on your arm at the time. I don't know if I clarified that.
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Post » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:28 pm

ok OP, with the way you are explaining it, there should be a downside, like a reduction in combat speed. since you are going back and forth with the shield.
basically there should not be an added benefit of using a shield and a two-handed weapon (unless as stated, in a high level perk dependent on strength / endurance).
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Post » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:32 pm

You want to level up 2 handed weapon skill, but get the benefit of of using a shield like a one handed weapon user gets. Theres the problem. So if you can hold a 2 handed weapon with one hand to use a shield you should be able to do the same to cast magic? That defeats the entire purpose of the new combat system. Each hand is independent and you equip a weapon, shield, or magic in each hand.

Like I asked you please read my OP again, I prob changed it since you read it, unless you have a perk (which does not even have to be, a perk is not the main subject of this thread), you would not be attacking at all with the two handed weapon which is in one hand at the time of the attack, you would just be defending with the shield till you put it on your back again. Or even say, drop it to attack faster with your weapon. I hope you get it now.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:09 am

The ability to attack with a 2h weapon AND block with a shield? No, don't be absurd. That's the most unrealistic thing I've ever heard.
Having a shield slung on your BACK however, sure. That's reasonable enough.

Are you serious? That is not even the main point of this thread, but if you are talking about realism, you don't think there are people strong enough to attack with a two handed weapon one handed? Please read about the weight of a claymore, and tell me a strong man can't swing that one handed.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:40 am

But if you can momentarily hold a 2 handed weapon to use a shield, you could do the same to cast magic. That is defeating the purpose of the new combat system.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:10 am

I think you should:

1) simply block with your two handed weapon. It's far from as good as a shield is against arrows, but I guess it could work on some occassions... some rare occassions.

2) simply sheath the two handed weapon, and when you have it sheathed, your shield will be equipped automatically. Morrowind kind of had this. You could have a shield and a two handed weapon equipped at the same time, but the shield only showed up when the two handed weapon was sheathed.

Good idea with number 2, I forgot about Morrowind, yes number two like morrowind would be fine actually.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:44 am

But if you can momentarily hold a 2 handed weapon to use a shield, you could do the same to cast magic. That is defeating the purpose of the new combat system.

Well you know what, since you put it that way Realism vs the new combat system, I choose realism. You should be able to do the same with magic as I am proposing with the shield.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:23 am

But if you can momentarily hold a 2 handed weapon to use a shield, you could do the same to cast magic. That is defeating the purpose of the new combat system.
By the way does that mean I can't heal myself with a spell if I have a two handed weapon out??
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:13 am

By the way does that mean I can't heal myself with a spell if I have a two handed weapon out??

Yes. Magic is equipped to either hand now. Just like weapons. A 2 handed weapon uses both hands, so there is no free hand to equip a spell.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:17 am

Yes. Magic is equipped to either hand now. Just like weapons. A 2 handed weapon uses both hands, so there is no free hand to equip a spell.

Wow you just gave me HORRIBLE news! This is SO stupid! Why can't it be like past games where you take a bit to hold the weapon in one hand while you heal yourself and then continue on?? This is horrible and just made me like this game less.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:58 am

Wow you just gave me HORRIBLE news! This is SO stupid! Why can't it be like past games where you take a bit to hold the weapon in one hand while you heal yourself and then continue on?? This is horrible and just made me like this game less.

Look at it as an opprotunity for a challenge. The tactics and strategy you going to use in a given situation.
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Post » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:01 pm

Wow you just gave me HORRIBLE news! This is SO stupid! Why can't it be like past games where you take a bit to hold the weapon in one hand while you heal yourself and then continue on?? This is horrible and just made me like this game less.

This is why your shield recommendation breaks the new combat system. EVERYTHING had to be equipped in one of your hands. Your two hands pretty much act as two equipment slots now.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:30 am

Are you serious? That is not even the main point of this thread, but if you are talking about realism, you don't think there are people strong enough to attack with a two handed weapon one handed? Please read about the weight of a claymore, and tell me a strong man can't swing that one handed.

Um, what? I really don't think you understand my point, nor even read my post. I said nothing about wanting to be able to wield 2 handed weapons in 1 hand.
And I'm a collector of swords and axes, I have over 200, I have quite a few Dai-Katanas and claymores, as well as short hedged battle axes. You cannot swing one of those with 1 arm. You're joking if you think you can.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:47 am

Look at it as an opprotunity for a challenge. The tactics and strategy you going to use in a given situation.

I don't like that over realism. Make enemies more challenging/smart, fine. Take away realism in this situation = horrible.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:57 am

Um, what? I really don't think you understand my point, nor even read my post. I said nothing about wanting to be able to wield 2 handed weapons in 1 hand.
And I'm a collector of swords and axes, I have over 200, I have quite a few Dai-Katanas and claymores, as well as short hedged battle axes. You cannot swing one of those with 1 arm. You're joking if you think you can.

What was your point then?

Really? You don't think a 6 foot 5 man or taller, who can bench say 300 pounds, can't swing one of those with one hand?
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:44 am

This is why your shield recommendation breaks the new combat system. EVERYTHING had to be equipped in one of your hands. Your two hands pretty much act as two equipment slots now.

I don't like this new system over realism then.
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