Two Handed Weapon AND SHIELD

Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:44 am

Yes yes, you disagree. You disagree with any logic or common sense regarding this issue. I'm done arguing with you since you can't comprehend reason or simple common sense regarding physics.
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No that is not true sorry. Use logic AND common sense, and I hope you will open your mind and see that with practice and strength you can probably do this.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:33 am

^ok now if you would please submit ur idea in the form of a control scheme to a xbox controller then well talk.

its called limitations that keep these things out.
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Philip Rua
 
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:43 am

Why do you want to use a two-handed sword with one hand, and not a one-handed sword?
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Chris Johnston
 
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:39 am

It's obvious OP won't be happy with anything other than everyone agreeing with him.
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Cedric Pearson
 
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:04 am

Ok, about the whole 2h and sheild thing, WoW already did this, its called titansgrip.
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=46917/titans-grip
I think it would be a cool perk later on to dual wield 2hs or whatever, originally this had an attack speed reduction but they removed it. If this was to be implemented into skyrim. Whoever is worried about this being OP, its like saying that we should worry about daggers and shortswords being obsolete cuz longswords are one handed too. Not by any means. Longswords are slower and do more damage while daggers and SS's are faster and weaker (and longswords dont get a sneak attack bonus, only daggers and I think SS's did as well but Im not sure) Thered be some obvious tweaking before this is implemented. Bethesda wont implement anything OP. But I really think this would be a cool perk for melee characters.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:21 am

It's obvious OP won't be happy with anything other than everyone agreeing with him.

Yep, that's pretty much what I'm seeing here. No point in reasoning with someone who can't listen to logic, nor common sense regarding the laws of physics. Just not plausible. But, meh. Oh well. :P
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Post » Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:35 pm

No the entire point is the difference in the combat style and a big part of that is no shield.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:30 am

idk where i saw this but a person was using a 2h weapon but kept a shield on their back for being attacked from the back. oh. it was in arcania where u could have a shield and a bow and stuff all equipped at the same time. i think skyrim should do this because it looks much kooler to see all your EQUIPMENT on your character rather than just one weapon or w/e. maybe even having a ways to customize your appearance w/ weapons :D
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Post » Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:48 pm

Cool idea as long as it ends up having nothing to do with weilding a 35-50 inch 3-5 lb claymore balanced for two hands and fullbody swings with a single arm.
(But I agree having a sheild just in case seems like a necessity to me. Though with mages and archer's it's pretty iffy... But I digress)
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:54 am

How about thinking out of the box? You do not have to do the things you say above when you are fighting with someone, you pop out your shield when you see an archer, and when you get close enough you can just drop the shield and chop off their arm how about that?

Dude I don't need to try that out with a bat and trash can lid, I can try it out with the real thing. I know I would be right, and you don't have to strap it back to you back when you are done, you can leave it like I said on the ground. Think realistically.

And yes you can have archers fire arrows at the opposing army where you own army troops are not currently.

About the other guy, again like I told him "With practice and strength I think you can easily use a two handed weapon with one hand."


Geez.. you know you would be right? :)
You don't have to strap it back when you are done? So where's the protection then?

Hey, if you can try it with the real thing, great! Go ahead and try it :)

It is not a question of thinking out of the box. You said you wanted realistic, right? Well, what you propose is not at all realistic.
If you don't want realistic, fine. Pretty easy to mod a 2-handed weapon into a 1-handed weapon. Made a few myself for Oblivion. But if you want realistic, what you are proposing, it is not realistic at all, regardless of how you want to rationalize it.

Speaking of shooting arrows into a battlefield.. in olden days, archers usually stood either behind the foot soldiers and shoot at opposing, advancing troops, but once their foot soldiers charged, they wouldn't shoot again, as they would kill their own men.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:31 am

I want to wield two-handers a shield, still be able to cast spells and to shoot with my bow when I'm too far away. I also want to use two different dragon shout at the same time.



... and people are complaining about the green arrow making things too easy...
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:24 am

So you propose that they remove all uniqueness of one handed weapons? That's a terrible idea.

since obviously longswords remove the uniqueness and usefulness of daggers and shortswords who are all 1h weps?
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:36 am

since obviously longswords remove the uniqueness and usefulness of daggers and shortswords who are all 1h weps?


Daggers do extra sneak attack damage now.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:30 am

I really don't see what the problem is. You got a twohanded weapon system that allows you to wield in two hands if you don't wield anything else.

So you basically start with the 2H weapon in both hands without anything else readied = twohanded combat.
Then you ready the spell in the offhand = 2H weapon unswingable (or used at a penalty); Heal spell castable.
Finally, to go back to 2H combat after using the spell, simply unready the spell so that you get your offhand free again, effectively.

Also, I don't recall Bethesda stating that the Block button has been removed. I did, however, hear that they're adding a button for Shouts.

Can someone please give me a link to any official statement that disproves my interpretation of the combat? Because I can distinctly recall Bethesda telling us that you could choose whether you wanna use a weapon in both hands or just one. Daggers are obviously 1H only and Twohanded weapons are 2H only, but that doesn't mean that you cannot wield it in one hand (temporarily for the purpose of casting that spell).

Wielding and swinging are two different things.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:51 am

I really don't see what the problem is. You got a twohanded weapon system that allows you to wield in twohands if you don't wield anything else.

So you basically start with the weapon in hand without anything else readied - Twohanded combat. Then you ready the spell in the offhand - you cannot use the 2H weapon (or use it at a penalty), but you can cast the healing spell. Finally, to go back to 2H combat after using the spell, simply unready the spell so that you got your offhand free again.

Can someone please give me a link to any official statement that disproves this? Because I can distinctly recall Bethesda telling us that you could choose whether you wanna use a weapon in both hands or just one. Daggers are obviously 1H only and Twohanded weapons are 2H only, but that doesn't mean that you cannot wield it in one hand (temporarily for the purpose of casting that spell).

Wielding and swinging are two different things.


I posted something about two-handed + spells in the other thread, you should check it out.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:02 am

If you can hold it in one hand it's not a two handed weapon. So therefore you can't hold a two handed weapon with a shield. PEROID! Case closed.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:47 am


A person who knows he is going to be in battles can have his shield ready to go from his back fast, it certainly does not have to be a slow process getting your shield off your back to block with it. Plus the raise your shield fast to block if you do not have your two handed weapon equipped if I remember correctly can be done if you have the shield on your arm at the time. I don't know if I clarified that.



There is no way you could pull a sheild off your back and get it front of you in time to block an in coming arrow. It's not possible. Blocking an arrow when your shield is ready is hard enough. What you want is something that is super human, even in a world of magic and monsters.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:50 am

I could see them adding bucklers to the game, which can be worn and used while using a two handed weapon, but you would not be able to block an arrow or a power hit with that so it would defeat the purpose of having it in the game.
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:34 am

If you can hold it in one hand it's not a two handed weapon. So therefore you can't hold a two handed weapon with a shield. PEROID! Case closed.

By that logic, two handed weapons don't exist. So I guess I'll assume that you were joking. ;)
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:24 am

I posted something about two-handed + spells in the other thread, you should check it out.

You're selling that post haha!
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:22 pm

By that logic, two handed weapons don't exist. So I guess I'll assume that you were joking. ;)


Not really. In a game that has a one handed and two handed skill any weapon that you can hold in one hand is a one handed weapon, regardless of how big it is. If you can hold a two handed weapon in one hand, or use a shield at all while using it, theres no point in having a one handed skill. You might as well have only "Weapon Skill" and "Magic Skill".
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:54 am

Like I have stated on your spells and two-handed thread: no, you can't because of in-game balance. And this idea makes less sense.
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Post » Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:41 pm

Good way to have an overpowered character, the damage of a twohander with the defense of a shield, it's impracticality reminds me of the confused turtle for those who remember that. While we're at it let's allow people to grab an arrow and use it like a dagger, actually that doesn't sound like a bad idea...
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:49 am

Yeah! I want to have all the advantages of a two-handed weapon AND all the advantages of a one-handed weapon! And all at the same time! Screw game balance!



God this forum depresses me........
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Post » Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:21 am

Yeah! I want to have all the advantages of a two-handed weapon AND all the advantages of a one-handed weapon! And all at the same time! Screw game balance!



God this forum depresses me........

Me too, good sir, me too.
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