Two questions; BoS's birth and the Resource Wars : Fallout Series Discussion

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:13 pm

1. I've always wondered, HOW did the BoS start? Was there anything pre-war that the BoS was?

2. I've read somewhere that the resource wars damaged europe massively, but how massively? Was the whole of europe nuked? I have an idea of adding small parts of Norway through modding and I want few, preferably none, conflicts with the canon

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:07 am

1. Read http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Brotherhood_of_Steel.
2. There's not really much known about the world outside the North American continent, so basically, you're free to do whatever you want there. The main thing you'd have to check is whether there's anything of major military importance. I'd guess that after the downfall of the European Commonwealth, most of Scandinavia would have united either by force or in an alliance to survive the Resource Wars. Norway would most probably have played an important role there, in regards to offshore oil.

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:22 pm

Thanks

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:00 am

The most generalised history of the BoS would be that they're pre-war military. Post-war and generations ahead, they are now the Brotherhood of Steel. But the wiki covers it.

As for how the great war affected the globe:

in 2077, the earth was nearly wiped clean of human life..

continents were swallowed in flames and fell beneath the boiling oceans..
humanity was almost extinguished, their spirits becoming part of the background radiation that blanketed the earth..

a quiet darkness fell across the planet, lasting many years..
few survived the devastation..

Truth is fella, if you're going to include a non-US region you're making your own canon. There is no (significant) canon for the rest of the world beyond the general assumption of global destruction. Fallout is American-centric 1950's style. The rest of the world would be completely different. Europe wouldn't have had Vault-Tec, or the Enclave, or the BoS, or even F.E.V. Whether they had some form of futuristic fallout shelters is anyone's guess. We don't know the extent in which europe prepared for nuclear armageddon, if at all. The rest of the world would be an entirely different affair. Anything you create will be your rendition of things, nothing has been established of the rest of the world. If you can accept that, then conject as much as you like

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:51 pm

The most generalised history of the BoS would be that they're pre-war military. Post-war and generations ahead, they are now the Brotherhood of Steel. But the wiki covers it.

As for how the great war affected the globe:

Truth is fella, if you're going to include a non-US region you're making your own canon. There is no (significant) canon for the rest of the world beyond the general assumption of global destruction. Fallout is American-centric 1950's style. The rest of the world would be completely different. Europe wouldn't have had Vault-Tec, or the Enclave, or the BoS, or even F.E.V. Whether they had some form of futuristic fallout shelters is anyone's guess. We don't know the extent in which europe prepared for nuclear armageddon, if at all. The rest of the world would be an entirely different affair. Anything you create will be your rendition of things, nothing has been established of the rest of the world. If you can accept that, then conject as much as you like

Cool, this means I can make my own version of the vaults but for Norway, and have it not confilct anything!
HOLY! Most schools in Norway have cold-war era bombshelters, and IF I recall correctly, any building over a certain size are required to have a bombshelter. I guess Norway would make an awesome place then!

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:15 pm

As for BoS, read:

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Brotherhood_of_Steel#History

As for Europe:

Fallout intro:

In 2077, the storm of world war had come again. In two brief hours, most of the planet was reduced to cinders. And from the ashes of nuclear devastation, a new civilization would struggle to arise.

Fallout 2 intro:

The earth was nearly wiped clean of life. A great cleansing, an atomic spark struck by human hands, quickly raged out of control. Spears of nuclear fire rained from the skies. Continents were swallowed in flames and fell beneath the boiling oceans. Humanity was almost extinguished, their spirits becoming part of the background radiation that blanketed the earth.

Jesse Heinig, one of the FO1 designers:

One of the recurring themes of Fallout is that life will find a way to continue, albeit often under great struggles and with violence and suffering. It's not unreasonable, given this notion, to presume that U.S. remnant forces remain in parts of China, just as remnant Chinese elements are in the U.S.; and that other countries are similarly ravaged and war-torn, with survivors crawling out of the rubble. If Australia was untouched by the war, for instance, then presumably after 200 years they would have projected their powerful industrial presence and comparatively high population all around the globe to take control of any remaining resources, and the Enclave would find itself locked in a war with the Aussies. It's likely that some underpopulated parts of the third world escaped the full brunt of nuclear devastation, but since these would have been low-population unindustrialized areas anyway, they are not exactly in a position to take advantage of their "good fortune," such as it is. (I don't imagine that many nukes were wasted on the Sahara.)

The very first Fallout 1 timeline by Scott Campbell and Brian Freyermuth (from which all other Fallout timelines in existence are derived):

Other countries, seeing the US's missiles on their way, fire their warheads as well. What ensues is two hours of nuclear bombardment upon the earth's surface.

Emil Pagliarulo, FO3 lead designer:

Tenpenny Tower was slightly inspired by Fiddler's Green, the skyscraqer in George Romero's Land of the Dead. But it was also an opportunity to introduce another character from outside the U.S. Allistair Tenpenny came to the Capital Wasteland from Great Britain to seek his fortune, so that alone tells you that the U.K. was also hit in the war. And if he came to U.S. to succeed, that says a lot about how screwed up Europe must be. So we just allude, a little bit, to the state of the rest of the world.

Tim Cain, one of the main creators of Fallout:

Killzig: What ever happened to the catholic church in the FO universe?

Tim Cain: I think it was nuked - the vatican that is.

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:39 am

LOL THE VATICAN WAS NUKED.
No offence to Catholic's, i just wonder why you would wanna nuke them, they have no military force.

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:26 pm

Well, if someone wanted to nuke the capital of Italy, it would be hard to do so without nuking Vatican.

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:57 am

Well, if someone wanted to nuke the capital of Italy, it would be hard to do so without nuking Vatican.

This. And, hey, who says nuclear armed radical leaders of other religions wouldn't fear another crusade and prophylactically strike St Peters Basilica? ^_^
I've just finished digging around some of my old manuscripts, and there indeed were some ideas for Europe in the Fallout universe, based on quotes of the devs and research into 1950s culture of the countries, and part fiction of that decade.
For example, I've separated the land on Great Britain into a tribal area in the north (mind me, too much Braveheart and Highlander :hehe:) and a somewhat advanced steampunk-ish culture (of course with elements of Science!) composed of city states based on the medieval counties.
I think I might come back to that for some kind of story later... Could get interesting. ^_^

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:24 am

This. And, hey, who says nuclear armed radical leaders of other religions wouldn't fear another crusade and prophylactically strike St Peters Basilica? ^_^
I've just finished digging around some of my old manuscripts, and there indeed were some ideas for Europe in the Fallout universe, based on quotes of the devs and research into 1950s culture of the countries, and part fiction of that decade.
For example, I've separated the land on Great Britain into a tribal area in the north (mind me, too much Braveheart and Highlander :hehe:) and a somewhat advanced steampunk-ish culture (of course with elements of Science!) composed of city states based on the medieval counties.
I think I might come back to that for some kind of story later... Could get interesting. ^_^

I think the British survivours would be mostly comprised of military as there are very little bunkers, if any outside of military or government use. Especially in a fifties styled era.

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:09 pm

I think the British survivours would be mostly comprised of military as there are very little bunkers, if any outside of military or government use. Especially in a fifties styled era.

What about the ~130 year gap between the divergence and the great war? The world wasn't frozen in 1950. With the increasing threat of nuclear attack, exhausted resources, and all the tensions those scenarios bring with them, Britain, much like any other region, would have made at least some survival preparation to that end, even if it wasn't in building large underground Vaults.

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:10 pm

I think the British survivours would be mostly comprised of military as there are very little bunkers, if any outside of military or government use. Especially in a fifties styled era.

And there weren't any super secret bunker projects in the US, so... Well, what Chris said. It's really just about a) the kind of fiction and B) the general attitude in the 50s. ^_^

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:22 pm

Re the UK: Some of the motivation behind "protect and survive" in the 80's could have translated into a large vault programme ... Some of the plans drawn up during this era were quite elaborate. Given the right government (tory or neoconservative), a lesser push by local governments to resist these policies (a nuke-scared population might do that), and a little of fallouts magic, I can see some sizable vaults in London, Manchester, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Birmingham and Cardiff, if not elsewhere.

I mean... This is the country which prepared to keep the BBC going in event of nuclear cataclysm!

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:43 pm

Thanks guys, you've really helped me much