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Post » Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:38 pm

I just want to be able to fix some of the things on the face. I'm not asking for beach babes and super models. But I want to make a woman who doesn't look old. I tried making a decent late 20 ish Breton woman. But couldn't because all the Breton woman have wrinkles on their forehead.

Same here. I had to settle for mid-thirties. :(
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Post » Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:34 am

I think the women (and men!) are great in this game - a perfect mix of different faces to me.
I'm glad the people aren't all smooth skinned, clean and gorgeous; it would look completely out of place. Especially if only the women in the game got that treatment.
If reducing female NPCs to six objects is your thing and/or if you prefer anime character styles or if you've got no problem with everyone looking like they stepped out of a Calvin Klein ad, then have no fear, there will definitely be mods for that. :) While I love that Bethesda have gone this way with NPCs, the really great thing is that the community will sort you out with anything else.

I agree that maybe there could be a bit more character customisation (although I think I'll always say that lol), but it's definitely possible to create beautiful male or female characters.
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Post » Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:02 am

I think the women (and men!) are great in this game - a perfect mix of different faces to me.
I'm glad the people aren't all smooth skinned, clean and gorgeous; it would look completely out of place. Especially if only the women in the game got that treatment.
If reducing female NPCs to six objects is your thing and/or if you prefer anime character styles or if you've got no problem with everyone looking like they stepped out of a Calvin Klein ad, then have no fear, there will definitely be mods for that. :) While I love that Bethesda have gone this way with NPCs, the really great thing is that the community will sort you out with anything else.

I agree that maybe there could be a bit more character customisation (although I think I'll always say that lol), but it's definitely possible to create beautiful male or female characters.


This, a thousand times. I'm perfectly happy with the way everyone looks in Skyrim. Saves me the trouble of later having to go through pages of anime and supermodel mods in an effort to improve how characters look. I'm lookin' at you Oblivion.
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Post » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:59 am

The OP is corrrect, especially since Beth (as usual) claimed that we could play any character we want, any way we want. This is untrue, but that's par for the course.

For those who think that all Asian game characters (or other entertainment media) look flawless, young, etc, I'd suggest that you need to expand your experiences and learn how varied the artstyles are in Asian media.

Also, the idea of character art being "realistic" is pretty crazy since reality is subjective to each individual, not to mention we are talking about fictional settings, stories, etc. In the case of Skyrim, the environment art was evidently inspired by sci-fi/fantasy artist Frank Frazetta, one of the greats in the field and an artist who certainly did not bother to attempt to portray someone's idea of "realistic" (because that would be bound to fail for countless others, of course). The same applies for other greats in the field such as Boris Vallejo.

Just as an example of how unrealistic the characters are in Skyrim (vanilla Beth style, mind you) consider the way that males are depicted and compare this with the depiction of most females. Almost al males are depicted as stereotypically ripped, 6-pack abs, etc (and yes, relatively young, even if they are supposed to be much older). Meanwhile, the females are living just as harsh a life, and perhaps harsher in various areas, yet they are all depicted as weathered, to say the least.

If you watch the movie, "The 13th Warrior," you'll see a fairly wide variety of depictions of both males and females in Norse settings. Too bad Beth didn't do this, though.

Thankfully, we can hope that our East Asian fans and mod artists will step up to the plate as they have in prior Beth games. Obviously, the demand is there as mods from artists such as Ren are some of the most heavily downloaded mods for earlier TES games (as well as the ports to the FO games).
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Post » Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:48 am

but i like being able to take female warrior npcs seriously


So do I, and I cannot do this in vanilla Skyrim. :)
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Post » Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:26 pm

Same here. I had to settle for mid-thirties. :(


Yeah me too.
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Post » Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:52 am

In the case of Skyrim, the environment art was evidently inspired by sci-fi/fantasy artist Frank Frazetta, one of the greats in the field and an artist who certainly did not bother to attempt to portray someone's idea of "realistic" (because that would be bound to fail for countless others, of course).

Yes! Thank you! I've been trying to remember his name for ages. I didn't know he did the art for "a Princess of Mars".
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Post » Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:09 pm

The OP is corrrect, especially since Beth (as usual) claimed that we could play any character we want, any way we want. This is untrue, but that's par for the course.

For those who think that all Asian game characters (or other entertainment media) look flawless, young, etc, I'd suggest that you need to expand your experiences and learn how varied the artstyles are in Asian media.

Also, the idea of character art being "realistic" is pretty crazy since reality is subjective to each individual, not to mention we are talking about fictional settings, stories, etc. In the case of Skyrim, the environment art was evidently inspired by sci-fi/fantasy artist Frank Frazetta, one of the greats in the field and an artist who certainly did not bother to attempt to portray someone's idea of "realistic" (because that would be bound to fail for countless others, of course). The same applies for other greats in the field such as Boris Vallejo.

Just as an example of how unrealistic the characters are in Skyrim (vanilla Beth style, mind you) consider the way that males are depicted and compare this with the depiction of most females. Almost al males are depicted as stereotypically ripped, 6-pack abs, etc (and yes, relatively young, even if they are supposed to be much older). Meanwhile, the females are living just as harsh a life, and perhaps harsher in various areas, yet they are all depicted as weathered, to say the least.

If you watch the movie, "The 13th Warrior," you'll see a fairly wide variety of depictions of both males and females in Norse settings. Too bad Beth didn't do this, though.

Thankfully, we can hope that our East Asian fans and mod artists will step up to the plate as they have in prior Beth games. Obviously, the demand is there as mods from artists such as Ren are some of the most heavily downloaded mods for earlier TES games (as well as the ports to the FO games).


I know their schtick is "play how you want", but I don't think that was ever meant to be taken as completely literal. I can't play as a talking dog (without mods) either, but that doesn't mean they really lied, just that I'm being a little unrealistic. This is a western RPG, with a very western feel (the Nords, the accent, quite a bit of the architecture), and having anime characters in the vanilla would be odd to many people.
It's great that you like that art style, and that you are able to create characters like the one in your avatar via mods, but there has to be a line drawn in the vanilla development or it would never get made, and would end up being this weird Frankenstein with lots of different styles and no real cohesion.
And I don't really see your point about male and female characters - the world is harsh yes, and men do end up looking pretty weathered most of the time. They are all quite buff too - but then, most of them are either chopping wood, hunting for their food or fighting in a civil war, so that's not too surprising (although more buff women like this would be quite cool too, seeing as there are women who do these roles too - but then no doubt we'd have a forum complaining that the females have male-looking bodies).
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Post » Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:34 am

The OP is corrrect, especially since Beth (as usual) claimed that we could play any character we want, any way we want. This is untrue, but that's par for the course.

For those who think that all Asian game characters (or other entertainment media) look flawless, young, etc, I'd suggest that you need to expand your experiences and learn how varied the artstyles are in Asian media.

Also, the idea of character art being "realistic" is pretty crazy since reality is subjective to each individual, not to mention we are talking about fictional settings, stories, etc. In the case of Skyrim, the environment art was evidently inspired by sci-fi/fantasy artist Frank Frazetta, one of the greats in the field and an artist who certainly did not bother to attempt to portray someone's idea of "realistic" (because that would be bound to fail for countless others, of course). The same applies for other greats in the field such as Boris Vallejo.

Just as an example of how unrealistic the characters are in Skyrim (vanilla Beth style, mind you) consider the way that males are depicted and compare this with the depiction of most females. Almost al males are depicted as stereotypically ripped, 6-pack abs, etc (and yes, relatively young, even if they are supposed to be much older). Meanwhile, the females are living just as harsh a life, and perhaps harsher in various areas, yet they are all depicted as weathered, to say the least.

If you watch the movie, "The 13th Warrior," you'll see a fairly wide variety of depictions of both males and females in Norse settings. Too bad Beth didn't do this, though.

Thankfully, we can hope that our East Asian fans and mod artists will step up to the plate as they have in prior Beth games. Obviously, the demand is there as mods from artists such as Ren are some of the most heavily downloaded mods for earlier TES games (as well as the ports to the FO games).


Just saying, theres a difference between playing a skinny Nord male and having a Asian video game character, sure the guys mostly look very strong and ripped in Skyrim, replacing them with what you have in mind is like the worst idea ever, I was extremely surprised at how many people were crazy enough to download those weird appearance mods in Oblivion, really would destroy the story for me.

Anyway, almost all characters in Japanese video games(at least the MMO's) all look weirdly perfect and unrealistic. And I do kinda hate every Asian game, so that might have changed my opinion a little.
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Post » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:53 am

Okay okay.

Ladies and gentlemen, the polls are open, now vote.
What should females in a fantasy game look like?'

Given the choices I'd say 2 - 1 - 2, but really only the 'first # 2' would be closer to what I think.
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Post » Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:47 pm

If you ask me, Skyrim is one of the few games where the male characters are actually done better than the female characters.
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Post » Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:12 am

Just saying, theres a difference between playing a skinny Nord male and having a Asian video game character, sure the guys mostly look very strong and ripped in Skyrim, replacing them with what you have in mind is like the worst idea ever, I was extremely surprised at how many people were crazy enough to download those weird appearance mods in Oblivion, really would destroy the story for me.

Anyway, almost all characters in Japanese video games(at least the MMO's) all look weirdly perfect and unrealistic. And I do kinda hate every Asian game, so that might have changed my opinion a little.


I'm inclined to agree, I've never liked a single JRPG and I don't see why you'd want to turn Skyrim into one when you could just go play one. It would completely ruin the feeling of the world.
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Post » Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:04 pm

The females have not looked better in a TES game than they do in Skyrim. Aleia the Huntress...yes please. Claymore AND side-boob Schawing!
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Post » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:05 am

I think the women of Skyrim are almost too good looking, but I thank Bethesda daily that they don't look totally airbrushed. Fake = bad.
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Post » Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:33 am

If you ask me, Skyrim is one of the few games where the male characters are actually done better than the female characters.


That i agree with, the default Nord male's looks almost made me play with him. But i did manage to resist the temptation and rolled my traditional female khajiit battlemage instead :hehe:

And i think that those anime-styled character mods don't fit in Skyrim as well as they fitted Oblivion. This coming from a man who doesn't really give a [censored] whether the mods he uses fit the game or not.
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Post » Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:30 am

I also agree with Cerenitee. I have not tried creating a female yet( still on first playthrough, lag holding me back) but I can't believe some gamers would want to make some female warrior who wears no or barely any clothes, yet slays dragons and barely gets a scratch. Look at Fallout for example. Many Of those mods make me shake my head.

When I do make a female for a later playthrough, im thinking a hunter and explorer. Not a six object.

Get a grip man. My male Redguard wears the fur armor with no shirt ala Conan and SLAYS DRAGONS JUST FINE. My female nord is rockin that fur armor with the feathers I forget the name ala Red Sonya. I grew up on Frank Frazettas art and Robert E Howard's tales and I've finally got a game where I can make chararacters that look like true Barbarians. Armor is for sissys anyway.
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Post » Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:37 pm

A world where every woman has big bouncing boobs, skimpy clothes , perfect faces and bodies does not seem believable to me.

I like Skyrim the way it is, tyvm.
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Post » Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:57 pm

I absolutelly LOVE manga and manga style (Berserk, hellsing styles especially) but when it comes to video games Manga does not simply fit, especially when we talk about agame like Skyrim.
This game has a gritty realistic look and that is the only way it fits for this particular setting, end of story :) Manga/anime is great, but dont complain that you cant make characters like that here, let those stay where they belong.. ^^ in anime series/mangabooks and games that are done with manga in mind.
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Post » Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:52 pm

snip...

Ladies and gentlemen, the polls are open, now vote.
What should females in a fantasy game look like?'


All of the above.

That said, Skyrim's character models are certainly Beth's best job as far as they go. Everyone in Oblivion looked hideous and FO:3 they just looked odd with squished bodies. They aren't particularly pretty, no, but they at least look realistic.
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Post » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:44 am

The female character models are better than the female animations. I'd prefer they would pay more attention to that. They have two walking animations, but they are both too extreme (the 'elegant' one and the 'tough' one).
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Post » Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:57 pm

My problem with Skyrim is what Dragon Age 2 did to Dragon Age Origins. It really is just:

Fix this preset

So what next game in the TES series? A premade character for us?
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Post » Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:12 am

at least the orc females dont look like males like they did in oblivion
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Post » Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:57 am

Okay okay.

http://community.imaginefx.com/forums/storage/41/203533/Warrior%20Woman%20Final.jpg < OR > http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-q-NK5QAo-O0/TWmO50XOlnI/AAAAAAAAFsk/o4EBuecoMuE/s1600/female%2Bwarrior%2Bwoman%2Bfantasy%2Bart%2Bnames.jpg
http://juliaannmatts2010.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/woman.jpg < OR > http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TdAp8YRlBOY/TW7n8R8AwrI/AAAAAAAAF50/YX06gXHVm88/s1600/redsonja1024x768av1.jpg
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2647/mortalu.jpg < OR > http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MU3bfA_OyLY/TX6f2t23OKI/AAAAAAAAGW8/56TD-S0cdbY/s400/aztec%2Bwarrior%2Bwoman%2Bpics.jpg


1) Two (the lefthand one has some odd proportions going on, plus the yellow face is odd. Also, I like Luis Royo's work. :tongue:)
2) One
3) Hmm. One more than two, but I'd say Both if the second one had a loincloth on instead of just the dangling skull. (That looks like a.... Parkinson picture? He did alot of the D&D artwork in the 80's & 90s. Along with Elmore & Caldwell. Great stuff. But he's done better pics than the one you have there.)
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Post » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:18 am

As a female gamer, I'd say:

Set 1: First Pic (the second pic would be my choice if she wasn't touching herself... though that is just because I prefer the art style, not the clothing >.>)
Set 2: First Pic
Set 3: First Pic

Obviously from the options, you are going for "fully clothed, or scantily clad" my vote generally speaking is fully clothed, but the fully armoured woman in the first choice is just creepy looking >.> (and the second option is obviously touching herself... so it was really a toss up).

Women can be beautiful without being six objects, I like to be able to play a strong warrior woman and have armor that fits that role (I don't want belly shirts for armour!). But I want to be able to have my warrior woman have a beautiful face, and be shapely if I desire (and on the opposite side, I want to be able to make a muscle bound scared woman as well). Aion sixifies their women to the extreme, I don't really want that... sure it can be an option for the six deprived youths that need it, w/e I don't really care, as long as I have the option to make a realistic woman character as well (who can be beautiful, or not, at my discretion).


As a male gamer, I'd say: yes, this, everything you just said.

Tired of scantily clad, over-sixualized female characters as the expected norm in games. "Fantasy" doesn't just mean "young male's sixual fantasy."
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Post » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:23 am

their look suits the environment in my opinion. i like that they can have scars and messed up hair, it adds to the idea that skyrim is a rugged and unforgiving place.
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