Working under & trusting/respecting are two different things. Even the argonians have jobs & are paid like [censored].

Riften has a pretty diverse population & it works just fine with no evident racial tension at all. By your logic, it should be there.

Ulfric only makes time for his own ambitions; wasting troops & war resources on retrieving the Jagged Crown didn't seem smart.

To be fair, we have a http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Scourge_of_the_Gray_Quarterin the game that makes the case that the racial tensions in Windhelm comes from giving them their own part of the city the way the Nords did and allowing them to remainhttp://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Decree_of_Monument. A policy originally meant to help the Dunmer(and it did help them) that has backfired to some degree and caused racial tensions in Windhelm.

Ulfric kept the Argonians outside the city because he could not trust the Argonians and Dunmer to behave themselves.

Cultural baggage at its finest, eh?

You mistake my logic yet again. I didn't say more diverse equals more racial tension. I said saying there's equality in a place with low diversity is a piss poor argument.

Riften I like because its a good example of that racism for stormcloaks argument being bs. Riften isn't the same because it isn't home to a bigger population, so there was never a segregation law placed, and the Dunmer there seem to get that work without complaining = local respect. As said by Tdroid's source.

And for whatever reason, they get along unlike in Windhelm, where argonians and dunmer apparently dont:

http://cs.uesp.net/index.php?game=sr&formid=0x00094186

And if what Ulfric did wasn't smart, why did the legion see fit to also send troops in search of the Jagged Crown? It is a symbol to the Nord people. Killing Torygg with the thu'um and gaining the support of half of Skyrim shows how important symbols are.

The title even warns you that the author is biased in his opinion.

Okay, my mind has been drawing blanks on this recently.

Where exactly is it said that the Nords gave a section of Windhelm to the Dunmer.

I saw that Decree in a loading screen, but referring to Solstheim. It said that Solstheim was the offer, where they aren't ruled by Jarls and such.

Like I said, I'm drawing blanks on this, so I'm probably wrong.

nvm, hold on.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:On_the_Great_Collapse

Who isn't? What do you think the dunmer are in Windhelm? Biased to their side. Except the Hlaalu.

Yes, this says that the offer was Solstheim, which supports what the loading screen said, not ruled by Skyrim, its Jarls, no taxes, all that.

But where is it said that it was the Snow Quarter offered?

You're mistaking your own logic; in relation to saying that you're also saying that inequality is more prevalent in a more diverse population.

Also, Whiterun has enough non-Nord civilians to be considered a diverse community. About 1/3 if I'm not mistaken.

Tullius only went after it because he knew how much it meant to Ulfric. Although I don't think it was smart on the Empire's end either, its a strategic opportunity to ambush the enemy & deliver a decisive blow in one swoop. Who could resist?

It doesn't, its simply inferred since no one says it was Ulfric, and the decree gives them an entire place of their own. Makes sense.

You seem to be the only one having problems getting it. And we're talking about the mer population. As for the Jagged Crown, Rikke outlines its importance. Symbols of old are important. Having it gains one side more support.

That entire place being Solstheim correct?

So there isn't anything stated anywhere, that the Snow Quarter was given to them?

What I mean is if they're given a whole place (They'd rather them go away than be in Skyrim's mainland) then it makes sense that if not all of them left, they'd make them stay separate. Also, there are no Jarls in Solstheim, so all that talk shows that they're talking about within the actual kingdom. So we're logically assuming it was given.

She spoke of its importance & downplayed it in the same breathe to reassure Tullius that it wasn't as all that important outside of a symbol to rally around

I didn't know Argonians were Mer

Okay. That makes a bit more sense.

Um....

Was talking about Whiterun. And no, she didn't. Replay the mission.

Tullius: "So what - Ulfric gets this crown and then suddenly he's High King?"
Rikke: "No, it's not as simple as that, but the Jagged Crown would be a potent symbol for his cause to rally around. But, if we found it first..."

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Legate_Rikke

Now its just Whiterun? Stop shifting goals; stand firm like a man & sink with your ship.

What are you talking about? First, she's not dismissing the Jagged Crown, she's explaining its not an I win button. Second, I was specifically referring to the comment that YOU made! I didn't switch opinions! Stay with me, here!

THIS is what I was referring to! Imperials and bretons are of no consequence because Nords have more issue with mer, not men.

Okay, to explain my connection of Hitler and Ulfric...

The war with the thalmor seems like WW1 to me. The Empire pretty much loses, and a harsh treaty (remind you of anything?) is given to the Empire imposing harsh restrictions and payments to the Thalmor.

Ulfric, however, uses this to raise support for his own cause. To rise to the throne. Just as Hitler used the treaty of versailles to drum up support for his own cause and seize power.

Also notice the uncanny similarities:

Skyrim: The Fatherland

The Great War: WW1

Stormcloaks: Stormtroopers

You seemed to bring this up as a negative to Ulfric though. The things you listed aren't the bad things about Hitler, so why does it matter if these things are similar? The difference is Ulfric's cause is actually just and he isn't blaming a particular race, but another gov, the Empire.

The similarities you bring up are arbitrary and mean nothing.

He's a persuasive fascist. Of course his cause is 'just', most fascists assume power by using 'just causes' to rile up the population.

Hitler didn't just blame the jews you know, in fact most of his ranting was towards the French and British. Ulfric is very much the same when he claims how the Empire 'stabbed the nords in the back' by signing the concordat (which they had to otherwise they would suffer total destruction)

Edit: I fail to see why the fascist comment is relevant at all. Ulfric would be a monarch and the sort that secures his power by putting supporters in positions of power(like pretty much every monarch through history that had this option), but how is this relevant to the discussion around the civil war? The Empire is a monarchy as well, one that has the Divine Right to Rule thing going on and has for a long time. That is even less free than the system in Skyrim, where the Jarls at least has the right to challenge the High King if they are not content with his performance. In Cyrodiil, the Emperor is hardly accountable at all. In Skyrim, there are at least some accountability, some way to deal with it.

No they didn't:

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1453352-taking-sides-between-imperials-or-stormcloaks-but-what-about-the-orcs-and-forsworn/?p=22489750

As for the rest, how then does this make Ulfric like Hitler when he just blames the Empire for the signing of the WGC and not others as well? That just proves you wrong. And he's not a fascist because the gov he's trying to set up is a kingdom, which doesn't have totalitarianism. He's NOT a fascist.

edit: Also, if the Thalmor could have destroyed them totally, they'd have done so.

"It's the Nords fault that the Elves are upset about Talos worship. Go kill and subjugate them in the name of the Empire!"