Personally I thinks it pretty easy to see that either in a good or bad light with in game information.

Also, to people saying he reminds you of Hitler, from what I can tell, you seem to mean that he's a great public speaker and he's an extremist, which is true. But these aren't bad traits. He's an extremist because he's doing more than just talking, which to me is good in this setting, rebelling. And if I'm being honest, Hitler as a leader had good traits. Those same traits are in many leaders that people consider good, so why is it an issue, or is it that its because he's germanic?

Thats because Whiterun in the game despite being 'neutral' is considered a legion hold.

If you have to make fun of Germans, take http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arminius that actually resembles Ulfric.

And you get my perennial challenge to describe what makes Ulfric different from Titus Mede I.

As for the Greybeards knowing he would rebel, pretty sure that would have knocked him off the candidate list. Hence why I think Kyne snuck him in there. (you go girl)

and Titus Mede II reminds me of Joseph Stalin, then again at least Stalin actually won his war.

Damn, burn.

Clearly, but not all of it is accurate. I base him off of what I see with my own two eyes, and anolyze the situation myself rather than take things I hear at face value. I'm naturally skeptical that way.

On the Hitler thing... technically speaking he was an amazing leader. He brought Germany out of the turmoil after WWI. Secondly he created an extremely capable and powerful army and his charismatic-ism makes him one of the most influential beings in the history of the world.

I'm not saying he's a hero or anything. I mean he killed millions upon millions of innocent Jews and many others. But that's what people look at.

Looking through all the bad things he's done, Hitler was actually a pretty good leader. In fact, if he did not start all that Nazi crap and did not kill all those Jews, etc he'd probably be considered one of, if not the best leader Germany has ever had.

On the subject of Season Undending, you can't get an idea of Ulfric from that because that is entirely dependent on who holds Whiterun Hold - and in the case of being neutral it is Tullius. You can't hold him to that cause Tullius is programmed the same way vice versa. Speaking of which, I need to check that out myself.

You can't deny anything Ulfric is doing to be frank. He's standing up for what he believes in and the people love him, there's not doubt about that.

Jarl Balgruuf is a decent, honorable man, and he wasn't a [censored] about making you

. I only have two regrets in the CW questline (for the Stormcloaks), and that would be .

Yea, you just had to kill a giant fire breathing dragon. No big

Of course from the player's pov it wasn't but from a roleplaying one, he'd better have given me a damn thane spot after that.

Bulgruuf is what a Nord leader suppose to be; strong, fearless & just. He would've made the perfect High King.

Plus I call Whiterun home but the Grey-Mane are cooler than the Battle-Born.

I agree somewhat. Though I haven't seen those qualities not that I think of it.

I agree with the Colonel, he should have taken action a lot sooner. Either side really.

He stands up to the Empire & Ulfric, earned his stripes which Ulfric acknowledges by referring to him as a "True Nord" & he practices equality.

He took the best stance out of any leader in game; neutral. Either way, Skyrim loses & the Thalmor wins.

This guy thinks Balgruuf is innocent and shouldn't be attacked. I kind of agree.

Though Balgruuf is kind of a naive dike for thinking I'm NOT a Stormcloak when I brought Ulfric's War Axe in full Stormcloak attire, THEN go all "I am disappoint" when I behead his men in full Stormcloak attire.

I was about to say "Really, Ball? I mean, you never saw it coming?"

Waitaminute, can you attack Whiterun before talking about Riverwood first? Does he still act as if you're his Thane?

Ulfric doesn't call him a true nord for staying neutral. He says "He's a true Nord, he'll come around." Meaning its unrelated and he'll evetually fall to his side. As for equality, where does that come from? The elf population is very very small in whiterun. There's like two. Not sure what the scale for that would be if it was a real city. But it's small.

Basically, the racial tensions are low in most cities because there's not much diversity in the first place elsewhere. Windhelm has the highest elf and beast race population on the whole game.

Ulfric refers to True Nords as people that fight for his side. The context is that he believes his side is the best side this side of mead brewery.

Did I say it was in reference to being neutral? I said he earned his stripes; slang for he's respected by his peers.

His right hand is a dark elf & stewart is an Imperial.

Are you going to bring population into this? Windhelm has an argonian populace that can't even enter the city & a Dunmer population that is segregated. What's the point if you're going to treat the other races like dirt?

So by your logic, the more diverse a city is the more racial tension there will be?

Not only is that crap but there's no way to justify supremacy.

I wonder, if Ulfric did in fact become a Greybeard then who was suppose to be the "Bear of Eastmarch" successor?

I don't know of anyone who would take his place. Only Brunwulf (whether you like him or not, comes close).

Not only is that not crap, he didn't even talk about supremacy.

You're trying to say that Balgruuf is treating two of his closest people equally so he most certainly lo treats everyone as equal. Considering the population diversity of Whiterun (it consists only of Nord, Redguard, Imperial, and two Elves. No Dunmer, no Argonian), Balgruuf never had any trouble.

It's actually common sense: if there is only ONE Dunmer in the entirety of Windhelm, they'd just basically accept their fate and move on. The more Dunmers that are there, the more likely they'll band together instead and create an environment separate from other races, kind of like the whole idea of Chinatown or Little Mexico IRL. Add to that the fact that Argonians invaded Dunmer a long time ago and Dunmer enslaved Argonians even longer time ago and you have a perfect mix of trouble.

Basically, he's saying that Balgruuf never had any trouble to deal with

I'm assuming he probably had an older sibiling which we never heard about in the game who died at some unknown time, likely during the Great War.

You'd have a concrete argument if Ulfric bothered at all to help the races in question.

Neglect is a form of abuse if you didn't know.

No, my logic is that the other cities and jarls get judged as being "equal" and their populations are so low of other races, you couldn't tell if that were truly the case or not anyway. Try and keep up.

And having people of other races work under you isn't a sign of equality, or the tavern owner in Windhelm would also show equality for letting a dunmer work for her.

Not saying Balgruuf is not, but saying someone is equal in a city where the racial tension is practically impossible to be displayed if there was some anyway is rather underwhelming.You'd have a concrete argument if Ulfric wasn't busy fighting a war by himself.

Priorities.

Great strawman right then and there. My argument is about you claiming Balgruuf as equal while the population of his city is not enough to pass an acceptable judgement, not about Ulfric's way of doing things (note that I never even talked about how Ulfric handles things)