Yeah. Not even frost trolls carry that much gold.

Except this is where the actual problem lies. Those who support the Stormcloaks think the Empire gave up prematurely. At least I think that's what they say.

Hevnorak thinks different when Ulfric is elected.

And neither has Skyrim to my knowlege.

Real life shouldn't be used to argue points about a fictional world. It just doesn't work like that usually. For me anyways.

At least I'm actually qualified to rule. Unlike the savages of today, I actually know what it means to be a true Nord. You want a history on your ancient traditions? Look no further!
That, and I have an actual army...

You're missing the point. Ulfric would have lost at the moot, hence why he refused one to be called. Instead he wants to send his army to take the crown by force and proclaim himself the new High King after the leaders he appointed elect him to the position with his army occupying their holds as insurance. This is a dictator, but thankfully, in a reasonable game, Ulfric is killed before he can carry out his neo-facist agenda.

Man, you really like to "demonize" Ulfric don't you?

Except the events didn't happen, I was merely drawing the similarities of such a situation after it had been brought up. Simply replace the Nazis with the Thalmor and the atomic bomb with a giant robot and the two are interchangeable.

You conveniently ignore several issues, such as the Empire doing everything it can to ignore enforcing the Talos ban until Ulfric started making a fuss about it to draw Thalmor attention. As typical of a stormcloak, you confuse the Empire with the Thalmor and lash out at something that was about to launch a campaign against them, as part Tullius and Rikkes dialogue, and just like a typical stormcloak you are short-sighted to an extreme. Nazi Germany just conquered the world and invaded the US, occupying most of it and only after an exceptionally bloody campaign is pushed out in a phyric victory, only for the next wave to be poised to land. It's far better to stall for time until we could mass produce nuclear weapons and delivery platforms for them, than become a province and ruled with their iron fist. But no, destroying ourselves because the government lost a war is such a better logical choice, and to top it off he most powerful state would be leaving and putting the entire country in a significantly worse position while the nazis gain strength. You might as well apply for a job in the Thalmor embassy, because that should would be going along with their plan hook-line and sinker.

Ulfric only cares about Ulfric.

He uses 'True Nord' propaganda to get people to what he wants.

He likes getting Stone-Fisted.

He's even has the audacity to act smug if you make him High King.

Man, you really like to "demonize" Ulfric don't you?

well said. That put me off from joining the stormcloaks.