Works on the ladies

so you are basically saying is Ulfric has no real care for the "Nords of Skyrim" like he claims, and the only people he really cares about are those who Acknowledge his Authority?

sounds legit

No, I'm saying that if you're really going to argue that Ulfric had a responsibility to protect those who supported his enemy in the civil war and asked for his death and that he should have done so after almost being killed when even TULLIUS high tails it out of there, then you really need to go back and revise your arguments, because that isn't remotely convincing to anyone and it is a poor debate tactic that tries to overlook common sense. In Ulfric's case and his care for the Nord people, the quote "You can lead a horse to water..." comes to mind.

High Rock's security interests are best served by an Imperial victory. So now you only need to decide how much your Breton cares about High Rock.

I also heard 'Imperial b*st*rds!'. And a kid 'almost' risked his life. 'Almost', yeah, if it wasn't for Hadvar, while Ulfric and his men fled like cowards to Windhelm.

Aren't children the future of every country? Faahk Ulfric, seriously.

Imperial bastards was said by a Stormcloak...the blonde woman to be precise. Nice try though. And Tullius flees to Solitude, yet I won't call him a coward, because I'm not that biased.

Yet his soldiers remain to try protecting Helgen's citizens. Only 1 Stormy gets cut in half, so I won't buy the 'they were outnumbered' excuse. Sure, Tullius returned to his local HQ because he didn't feel like going Rambo dumbo into Alduin's fiery belly. I won't defend him any further as I don't deem any of the parties complete in terms of why this, why that. Too many holes.

Let's see, Tullius did not question the captain's decision when my PCs' names were not on the list because he was to busy lollygagging at Ulfic's gag. Hello, is the mic on. Yo, Tully, helloooo! (-2 points)

*escapes into the tower after Alduin's rude arrival*

My PCs are standing with their hands still bounded waiting/hoping to get unbounded, yet let's talk about legends and oh, uh we need to get out of here. Hey you, jump to that burning inn roof, we're right behind you.

*after the jump, looks behind and suddenly realizes they are not behind my PCs and probably getting laughed at* (-2 points)

After that point neither side cared about my PCs hope that Dragon takes both Tulius/IL and Ulfric/SCs to Oblivion!

*best neutral sided post in this thread *

Debatable. The empire hasn't exactly pulled out the stops since the Third Era when one of its provinces is threatened. Don't expect them to do much when the Thalmor go for Adamantine, either.

Yeah that was a Stormcloak who says that, and:

By the time the Stormcloaks have regrouped and found their weapons again, Tullius is calling for a retreat. Not before Hadvar wishes the dragon would kill the Cloaks. But yeah, Tullius is the BDH here. If you support the empire, fine. Don't do so with petty and stupid rationale like that.

Forget the rest of your argument, and I need no excuse. The argument that he should stay to help his enemy is laughable.

not help his enemy, help his people.. if he truly did stand for whats good for Skyrim and the Nords in general, he would have defended the Civilians from the dragon..

He says "Into the keep Hadvar (or soldier), we're leaving!"

If you go next to him while soldiers are attempting to save civilians (one of them says "I can't stop the bleeding") Tullius will tell you "Run you idiot".

This whole Ulfric should have saved those at Helgen argument is ridiculous. Ulfric and co were about to get a nice shaving, they should be escaping, niy helping those at an Imperial Garrison.

I doubt you even believe that. They support the people keeping him from doing what he thinks is good for Skyrim. Unless you think Ulfric proclaimed to be Jesus, there's no possible way you believe what you're shoveling onto my patio.Some honesty at last. You do your side justice.

even if they wouldn't attack the dragon straight on, they could have helped Escort the Civilians out of the area, like the Legion was trying to do..

but they didn't, the fact he claims "I am doing all this for Skyrim!", and then does not help save the lives of the Civilians from a Dragon Attack shops his hypocritical attitude..

there is an old saying "you can't do whats best for your land, If you can't bring yourself to help those infront of you"


either way I am done arguing, you are ignoring points infront of you that go against your pre-established beliefs, like you do in every CW thread...



good evening

And how would the legion and Helgen's citizens thank him? Putting him right back on the chopping block. This is silly as hell, I'm done.

if the escort they Citizens to lets say, Riverwood, a town with no Imperial presence, they would have no fear of the chopping block and could then head back to Windhelm.. or Ivarstead, which is in Stormcloak territory

even then, there is another old saying: "If you are unwilling to put your life on the line to support your beliefs, those beliefs must not be strong in the first place"..


Anyways, Im done arguing with you, good day sir

The people who were allowed to keep their own culture, religion, and language practices? Well I would if they weren't all dead

I'm of a mind with CKB in this regard. Your lies are forfeit. Pay 40 gold to CKB and 40 gold to the forums for lies and corruption of the thread, or do hard time.
(chooses resist arrest)
You're kidding.
(tries to back up his lies with quotes)
That doesn't impress me.
(tries to run from his ignorance)
Stop right there, criminal scum!
(jumps over to different thread)
Stop right there, criminal scum!
(logs off in hopes of being left alone and goes to sleep)
(computer lights up and wakes the liar)
You can't hide from me!
.......
See, you are a criminal in these threads and will be hunted down for trying to get the last word.

This is probably the most dishonest thing I've seen you say, and that is saying quite a bit. I don't think I've often come across special pleading like this, or so shamelessly admitted.

But, of course, what can I expect? You come up with justifications for supporting the Empirehttp://www.gamesas.com/topic/1472866-insert-rebelling-race-here-vs-empire/page-6#entry22993773. Why else would you say http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1477317-hating-on-stormcloacks/?p=23102383, but still support the Empire who is pretty clearly losing the longterm campaign against the Dominion? if you actually believed that, you should be a Dominion supporter.

Edit:

No, it seems http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1459081-stormcloaks-vs-imperials/?p=22637329is the most dishonest thing you've said so far. After all, the Stormcloaks didn't invent the Empire abandoning Hammerfell. Twice. Or having their cities erupt into violence. Or

Or that they're allowing the Thalmor to arrest, torture and kill people on so vague grounds that almost anyone in Cyrodiil and Skyrim can be accused, giving the Empire a security leak on a major scale. Or that they ignored the Blade's warnings about the Thalmor. Hell, ignored the Penitus Oculatus information that indicated the Dominion wanted to establish another Merrish Empire back with Titus Mede the 1st.

Read the second part of my post please. I know he means the Thalmor, but I do not like it when a high ranking man such as a camp commander implies enacting ethnic cleansing on all Elves of Skyrim. Wording like that just shows how ignorant and unprofessional the Stormcloaks are.

In the beginning we already have Ralof flagging all Elves as the Thalmor. That line immediately made me go with Hadvar for my first playthrough.

This ^

The commanders are not talking about cleansing the Elven races, he's referring to the Thalmor in particular. The developers probably should have written that particular line to be a bit more specific, but given that he is talking about "Justicars," it is clear that that this means ridding Skyrim of the Thalmor.

Again, that's not my point. The point is the sloppy use of language by the officers. It's as if US generals upon attacking Afghanistan would have stated their goal as removing Indo-Europeans from the country.

The Imperial legates for example are quick to correct themselves when referring to Nord jarls as kings, which anyway is a rather small confusion to begin with. You never see Imperials talk about destroying the "Nords", they always make sure to mention that they are fighting Stormcloaks rather than some large and arbitrary group.

I did read it. I addressed it. It doesn't matter what you feel about his word use, he's talking about Thalmor period. The wording is irrelevant when the context is crystal clear. Whining over word choice is pointless.

If someone can't handle his word choice, they probably cant handle soldiering anyway.

I understood that part of your post as well, but isn't it at least remotely possible that the writers for Skyrim (a.k.a. Bethesda) did a sloppy job with those lines of dialogue and didn't actually intend for it to come across in a "race cleansing" sort of way?