I'm pretty sure (but not positive) that he clarifies Death Valley and the Divide are separate locations. I got the impression the Divide was east of Death Valley.

This too. Maybe Victor?

There is that weird bug where he becomes a companion. Maybe he was a cut companion too? I mean once you get to Vegas he becomes little more than a glorified doorman.

What do you expect to happen after siding with a pack of raiding, burning, pillaging, murdering, [censored], misogynist, half-literate, irredeemable savages with delusions of glory? Siding with the evil horde of barbarians out to toss the west coast back into the dark ages has consequences.

And here comes the angry pro-legion response:

Pro-House? You can't put him in the same context as the NCR or Legion. He might run the strip and have a good deal of securitrons but he's hardly a faction. And you can't exactly be "Pro-House" since no one knows who he is or what his agenda is about.

Come to think of it, some kind of securitron might work... Like Victor.




You forgot "baby eating and puppy kicking" bro.

Thats odd. I completed Veronica's quest, and told her to cut ties with the Brotherhood. I was kinda pissed at them so I went into the bunker (left her outside), and killed everyone. When I got back out she was all mad at me, and told me to add her to my list. Was this a bug because I thought at the time I was doing her a favor... >.>

I for one really hope Ulysses turns out to be a pro-Legion companion, but I highly doubt it. Out of 2 DLCs how many companions have we been able to take with us? Also from the way they are building up the back story of the Currier, and Ulysses it does not sound like it will be resolvable any way, but one... with his dead body on the ground, and his loot in our pockets.

As for Victor as a companion for Mr. House people... On my first run I was so sure he was going to be our first 'real' companion. Then when I meet in again in Novac I was sure I had done something wrong. I was heavy on the NCR side of things so I figured I may have pissed off Mr. House. It is the only time I have looked up anything before my first play through in a Fallout game, but I was sure I screwed up somewhere because I could not get Victor as my companion, and I wanted him so badly. After a bit of searching I returned to New Vegas rather sad, and disheartened.

@ Lord Coake half-literate is still better then 99% of the rest of waistland

Victor would be good for hardcoe.

Maybe every time he dies he gets sent to the nearest securitron.

Would be dope.

I thought he was talking to me when he said that Caesar has a courier working for him, I honestly did. And I would forgive the biased against the Legion in HH and The actual game.

Okay, here's the transcript of the 2nd conversation with Graham:

Courier: What did you say about a Courier? Who were you expecting?

Graham: Caesar would never admit to this openly, but he knows that I'm alive. I've killed enough of his frumentarii and assassins that have came looking.
Graham: I have heard one of them travels the Mojave as a Courier. Most of Caesars agents meet a fitting end in NCR territory, but maybe this one survived.

I'd say it's confirmation enough that Ulysses is a legionnaire. :celebration:

Yep, but now the big question is... will we have any other choice then to kill him :cryvaultboy: .

if he is legion he is dead meat oh well

You would think Ulysses ideals would clash with Ceasers.

Hence why it took nothing but seeing your name on a list for him to drop everything he was doing for the Legion and go AWOL. Seems like the Legion doesn't hold an immense amount of importance for him if he passed up on getting a hold of the Platinum Chip. I mean, his actions alone basically put the entire Legion's campaign in jeoprody when he could've secured a win for them.

Its not as Death Valley is referred by name along with Big Empty and the Divide.

Courier:
"The Divide blocked all of their northern land routes?"

Joshua Graham:
"Not all of them. But they couldn't take 127 north to get around the mountains. As if Death Valley weren't enough, they had the Divide and Big Empty to deal with. From what the Legion's explorers reported, the Big Empty may as well have been a wall to any living thing approaching it."

This. I doubt the story will be as we think it is.

I have a theory about Ulysses, and why he is mentioned at major story points in the main story as well as in each DLC so far. Ulysses is meant to be the "other player character" in the game. He is meant to be another player character wandering the Mojave, and at various locations he makes different decisions and has his own adventures. His choices and actions impact the actual player, because our player character generally visits areas after he has already passed through and made his choices.The difference between the Courier and Ulysses is that Ulysses seems to be aware of the Courier and some of his actions are specifically meant to affect the Courier's adventure directly. Other times his adventure is independent of anything the Courier does, like when he rescues Christine while exploring the Big Empty.

Back in 2009, Chris Avellone gave a talk in Australia about his game design philosophy, and one of the games he highlighted was the cancelled Fallout 3 (Van Buren). His discussion of what he wanted to achieve in that game was pretty interesting. He said that his base concept was that he wanted to create a feel that there were two parties of adventurers out there, and the actions of one would impact the other as they run parallel. To flesh out this idea, he had pen and paper roleplaying sessions with two different groups, made up of the developers from various departments at Black Isles back then. The parties would be playing scenarios which were in the exact same world, but they were not told that their actions would directly impact the other group's experience, and the idea was to see the reactions and behavior from the players when they started to realize what was going on.

I'm pretty sure that the entire Ulysses story arc is basically Avellone trying to experiment on this same concept on a slightly smaller scale. It'll be interesting to see how Lonesome Road plays out, and if Ulysses will reference various things that the player had done throughout the game, and how they affected him if he encountered those places after the player. Just as how the player encountered various people and places after Ulysses had already already interacted with them.

Thoughts?

death vally is an actual location. about the only thing there besides scorpions n sand. is an airforce base and maybe a small town supporting said base.

Very good idea and one I hope is implemented when we finally meet Ulysses. I find it quite nice to think there is another PC having adventures at the same time as me. Hopefully he will actually be a match for the Courier and not just be owned by being LV 50 :cryvaultboy:

What I want: Whatever happens, I hope that Ulysses (just like Graham) defies all expectations. For good or bad, I hope nobody sees what's coming when it concerns this character. I have my suspicions, just like I did with Graham (and those were more accurate than not), but I hope even those are wrong.

My opinion: Expecting Ulysses to be anything more than a temporary companion is just a little bit delusional. Especially if you think it will, believe it should, or demand it must happen. Although demanding it is more petulant than delusional.

The DLC is not biased.

There you go getting your hopes up again.. You do realise he could just be an assassin with ties to the legion right?
I kinda doubt any of the DLC characters are going to have strong ties to Mojave factions, let alone be an actual member, kinda ruins the ability for any playthrough character to be able to complete the DLC..
Imagine how angry you're going to be if you're wrong this time?!
I mean, pre-HH you pinned all of your legion hopes on JG.. Is it really wise to do it again??

Yes.

Fair enough man.
I play on PS3 so don't really have any idea yet, I just saw how upset you got over JG is all.

Well JG I've been waiting for for 6 or 7 years ever since I read his awesome design document.
Ulysses I've known about for like a half year and got some small hints here and there and a caravan card showing his appearance.
So even if I think they messed up Ulysses' potential it's not as bad as it was with JG for me.

I'm not trying to be ignorant here, but what's the big deal about Ulysses, anyway? Isn't building him up like I've seen on the forum just going to lead to disappointment and tiresome baww threads?

We know he has a unique costume and haircut; we know he has ties to Eddie's Legion; we suspect that he lived at Wolfhorn Ranch; he was on a playing card; and from hints in the games he's well traveled and seems to possess inside information. Oh, and he knew the Courier, so maybe we'll finally get some background on our character (sorry, RPers).

This is all interesting, sure. I've been enjoying the clues and I'll eat my hat if we don't get some whoppers in OWB (note -- I do not own a hat), but what's the great appeal?

Just curious.