Ulysses is the driving force behind the entire game.

He's mysterious and cool.
That about sums it up.
And he's freaking HOT!

i will laugh and be sad if they pull off a starwars courier i am your half brother twice removed on your mothers side thats evil version of you muwahhh

Crackpot theory time with no research what-so-ever...

Ulysses is the son/grandson (what ever time fits between fallout 2, and NV) of an Enclave doctor/engineer/guard/whatever, and wants to kill Chosen One's son/grandson/whatever.

Remember old world flag on back... fighting under the old world flag... This man is something more/worse then Legion, and there is no way he has any chance of being anything other then the big bad enemy of NV...

"The day I set my flag down, it'll be over my body or over a nation I believe in."
- Ulysses.

One of the things I'm curious in noting is that no one thinks that the Courier that got shot in the head might actually have been the original bad guy or the legion courier. Hence the reason Ulysses might not have done anything after finding out who you were.

We know nothing about our Courier's backstory so the possibility our character actually being a member of legion is not actually that far fetched. If you were a frumentari there is a chance that no one really saw your face before or that when you got shot you had a bit more than a graze that the doc patched up for you. The entire face could have been changed as the result of a lead in the face. What's to say Our character did not formally work for Caesar?

I think the Lonesome Road dlc will actually deal somewhat with the Courier's past either way.

No you have to fight him

Aw now I don't want to kill him : (

And that quote does not go with Legion ideals. It could be that Ulysses is using the Legion to try to bring down the NCR or weaken it so as to help the Enclave or a group that he is a part of. Either way this story is gonna get convoluted.

Not really sure how you came to that conclusion. "A nation I believe in" could be anything, since we don't know what he believes in.

Well, for one, Caesar doesn't know you. Another thing is that the Courier does not have amnesia (Josh Sawyer said this, I believe). This is just far fetched because Ulysses' card is with the other Legion cards, so other courier + legionary assassin + Ulysses being coupled with Legion cards = Ulysses is a Legion assassin and you are not (unless you side with them).

He's a BoS member

Figured I'd add that since the enclave has been mentioned.

But maybe he's related to a past player character or knows the courier is.

While you may have to ultimately fight him, it's more than likely that at some point in development Ulysses was supposed to be a Legion companion in the game.

If he has the pre-war flag as his flag and as his ideals, then the Legions one will clash with the draqes.

Not just any flag; it's the commonwealth one.... aka where Caesar's Legion operates.

The Commonwealth flag was the flag of the United States just before the Great War, after the country was divided into 13 commonwealths instead of 50 states. One of them was the http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Southwest_Commonwealth, but it's flag is blue, with a yellow crest in the upper left. It's flying above Doc Mitchell's House in Goodsprings. The Commonwealth flag on Ulysses' back probably has nothing to do with the Legion.

The more you know.

I will however say that Ulysses must have some kind of ties with the Legion, because you just don't become a frumentarii like that.

I agree. For whatever reason, he must have served, or is still serving Caesar. This late in the story it would seem kind of lame if the courier Graham mentioned wasn't Ulysses, and just some "other" courier they pulled out of their backside.

He definitely served the Legion, but the keyword may be "served" instead of "serving." We know that at first during production, he was intended to be a companion, but now he's not. We also know Wolfhorn ranch is his home, because when they removed him they changed it's name from "Ulysses' ranch" to "Wolfhorn ranch," but forgot to fix that in some of the foreign translations at first. Thus, when the game was first released before any patches, some foreign titles still called it "Ulysses' ranch." If you take a good look at the setup there, it's of course a ranch and a good place to spy on Nipton. There's even observation points set up, facing west. He was quite obviously a Frumentarii spy. Also worth noting is that there's a grave at the ranch with a burnt book and a harmonica laying on it; could tie into the story.

He's definitely got ties with the Legion, but I think it's safe to say he's not a hardc0re Legion die-hard. I mean, had he simply taken the job and gotten the Platinum Chip, the war would be over. That would've been a decisive victory for the Legion. Ulysses would've basically taken the Courier's place, destroyed the Securitron army and then proceeded to do all the other chores for them. However, he passed it up. Whatever Ulysses relationship with the Courier is, it's apparently more important to him than his allegiance to the Legion. I doubt they're too happy with him skipping out like that and as we can see in game, he's headed west through the Divide, not back towards the Legion camp.

:rolleyes: Girls.

Okay, thanks, Gabe.
I guess the big question now is whether he's going to be truly pro-Legion. Sawyer and Avellone (do you know who the director on this one is?) like to confound expectations; I'm wondering if Ulysses won't be revealed to be a deep-cover NCR agent or something similar.
I've also wondered if he isn't a master of disguise who's been here all along... all those people with the same voice...

There's a radio up by that grave too, and I got the feeling that someone (Ulysses) spent time at the gravesite. Like he was mourning a loved one. Your observations are pretty convincing. "Served" sounds right.

Ok, this is -pure- speculation now, but:



We know Caesar lies to his people. To keep them ignorant, to keep them loyal, to gain power. What if, the reason Ulysses was so surprised to see the Courier was alive, was because Caesar had lied to him? What if Caesar had, to gain Ulysses' loyalty, promised the death of the Courier? Thus, when Ulysses saw his name, he lost all trust in Caesar, and that's why he was willing to pass up on such an important secret operation for Caesar's Legion.

I say this simply because Ulysses quote on the collector's edition cards is "The day I set my flag down, it'll be over my body or over a nation I believe in." Sounds very patriotic for a guy who single-handedly ruined a Frumentarii job to get the Platinum Chip. That's why I argue that there must be some reason for him to ditch them like that, and this to me makes the most sense with what info we've been given so far. Ties in with Caesar's habit of lying, with Ulysses' assumed patriotism and work for the Legion, and his surprise at seeing the Courier is alive. It would shatter his trust.
I'll admit it's not flawless. You'd expect Caesar to at least do some form of double-take when he first meets you, this still doesn't explain why Ulysses wants the Courier dead (supposedly) and most importantly, I can't come up with an explanation as to why Caesar would want to win Ulysses trust and loyalty so dearly that he'd bother to lie about killing the Courier. Just a thought though.

Ulysses could have some some important info of sorts he was in the big MT where there supposed to be alot of tech.

That quote of his makes him sound pretty damned noble. Whoever he serves needs to walk the walk, or Ulysses will do some walking of his own. The more I think about it, the more I like the guy.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Odysseus

This is really interesting it was going to be in van buren

"ODYSSEUS (also known as ULYSSES) is an extremely advanced A.I."

Possible android hunting the courier maybe?