I don't think ODYSSEUS was supposed to be a mobile platform. Besides, I just hope it isn't the case. I'd rather they kept androids as a thing unique to the institute so the institute can stay unique within itself.

Anyway, ODYSSEUS was supposed to run Tibbets Prison. It is not unreasonable to think it will instead run the Big Empty in Old World Blues.

I was thinking maybe ulysses is a creation from odysseus sent out to hunt the prisoner/courier.

That'd be a cool twist

Ulysses as an android isn't impossible but seems rather unlikely. If he's an android then how do you explain the decision to let the Courier carry the chip? How do you explain his apparent links to Caesar according to what Graham says in HH? How do you explain his decision to release the BOS girl from the Big Empty? There's just too much that doesn't make sense.

On top of that humanoid androids were not part of the Fallout setting until introduced in F3. And since New Vegas is more of a throwback to F1 and F2, it seems very unlikely to me that Obsidian would go down that path.

Well he is the only thing in the game that seems to have a connection to the actual pre-war non-Enclave government. If he's an extremely ancient android who knows why he's doing anything?

Yea but look at Harkins in Fo3 it seemed to have feelings and thoughts of its own.

The Institute is the only place to get androids, and they were only made post-war. Now its not out of the question that an android walked that distance, but it does seem pretty silly.

I'm confused, why would he be an android?

If he's so old he's the only sentient individual that feels an attachment to the government that ceased to exist 204 years earlier, and he's not a ghoul or a super mutant, or a time traveler, he's a lot like all of the other hyper-patriotic robots we've met. A smaller Liberty Prime.

And why is it speculated that he's really really old`?

Because he wears a flag.

Guess Katy Perry's an android too. [img]http://www.pics-site.com/wp-content/uploads/Katy-Perry-Wears-American-Flag-Dress-6.jpg[/img]

Pretty weak speculation then.
He could be ex-Enclave, read about the old world, a vault born.
Just cause he has the Old World flag on his back does not mean he is from the old world.
Hell, he might not even believe in the old world, maybe he uses that flag for his ideals, stolen an ancient flag long forgotten by many and uses it to express his ideals of the best nation for the wasteland.

I mean, Hitler stole the swatzika(?) from Indian (Asia) culture right?
So Ulysses could well have stolen the Old World flag.

I like how I speculate a plausible story about Caesar perhaps lying to Ulysses and that's why he ditched the Legion and acted so surprised to see you were alive, but that gets drowned out by "he's uh android cuz he wears uh flag." :sadvaultboy:

Some of the speculation here is pretty extreme.
I think we can safely assume the following to be true --

Ulysses is human. Not a clone, not a cyborg, not an android, not an alien, not from the past or the future. Every major protagonist in this game (except Yes-man and House, to a degree) is a human being. As this is a story about people I doubt this will change.

Ulysses is not a blood relative of the Courier. Our characters can be one of four races; it's unlikely that there will be 4 Ulysses models in the game.

The relationship between Ulysses and the Courier will not be romantic. The game designers will not impose a sixual preference on the Courier.

Ulysses will not be firmly tied to any faction. I may be wrong about this (bearing in mind the 'join Elijah' option in Dead Money); it would be more desirable from a game play perspective to allow equal play time for members of each faction. Also, as a DLC, the story must be playable at any point in the MQ -- it cannot rely on faction loyalty by the player, either.

Okay, here's my speculation.

Ulysses once was a Bighorner rancher in the Mojave. At some point, perhaps after an incident involving the Courier, he leaves to travel the world. Dissatisfied with the factions vying for the Mojave, perhaps after working with one or more (the Legion connection?), he wears the flag of a dead nation on his back.
He explores the Big Empty, performing fairly heroically. He finds a weapon there.
He test detonates this weapon (created under an old world flag) at the spot that will become the Divide [At a strategic point that disrupts the NCR without totally crippling them, maintaining a precarious balance of power].
He maintains a presence in the legion throughout this time, gaining reputation (deserved?) as a Frumentarii assassin.
In Primm, he discovers that the Courier is still alive (was he expecting the Courier to be dead on general principles or did a specific incident lead him to this belief? Remember the 'two bullets' controversy -- was Benny the first person to fail to execute our hard-headed Courier?) and refuses the Platinum Chip delivery. Was this really an act of revenge, or did he want the Courier to get 'sorted out' mentally about the state of the Mojave? Or did he refuse delivery because he feared being recognized by House?
In Lonesome Road (referring to Ulysses's journey?), the Courier is contacted by Ulysses and summoned to the Divide. I believe that Ulysses will attempt to hire or secure the loyalty of the Courier, as a sort of mini-faction, to help him use the Divide Weapon against the enemies of the Mojave. It's a given that, save for a Dead Money-style early ending, the Courier must refuse, either because of the nature of the weapon or because Ulysses is, in fact, unhinged.

Here's an alternate theory -- perhaps Ulysses is just a mercenary and wants to sell the divide weapon -- there may be representatives of each faction appearing in the DLC. That could be fun. Not sure what the Courier's role would be if that is the case.

Eh?

I would so buy one... :celebration:

Because he's the only thing in the four main sequence Fallout titles to wear the United States flag and the only human-shaped thing to claim allegiance to its principles. The only other thing in the games that do so are pre-war robots. Gutsies, Liberty Prime, John Henry Eden. These are the only characters in Fallout history that have a declared allegiance specifically to the actual United States government. Then there's Ulysses. Who also somehow waltzes in and out of the death trap of the Big Empty to get Christine out.

the hole in the earth could be a sink hole(probaly not) or where the first atom bomb fell

Well actually the Hindu religion and much of their culture came from a tribe a people from the Caucasus mountain range called the Aryans who are also believed to have settled in what is now western China. Iran, Iraq and India are corruptions of the word Aryan


But I agree that Ulysses could have read about the U.S in an old book and took the ideas to heart like Ceaser did

WTF cmon now, who actually reads books?

Being an android from the future is far more plausible.

So it's more likely that he's an android than that he found an untouched bunker with a couple of flags and old world books and other old world stuff which he became fascinated with, even to the point of obsession?

Ulisses is the lone wanderer doing another playthroug of FO:NV :hubbahubba:

now for real do we even have any piece of info that he is in anyway loyal to the old world?

in my opinion he is just the player antagonist and we will probably find a lil more about him in OWB has he was there for sure

he says that you aren't the courier he was expecting. I don't recall him mentioning him by name or anything else really.

And Ulysses is allegedly legion, but I don't remember that being brought up in any DLC's it was on the playing cards.

There isn't going to be a third courier, the courier mentioned by Christine, The Merge, Elijah and Graham is all to build up for Ulysses.

Well theres a Legion aligned courier running around, and theres Ulysses who is a courier hinted to be with the Legion. Whilst its not out of the question for them both to be two different people, it'd sure be stupid.



As you said, there is the cards. There is also a character called Ulysses in the GECK, who is wearing Legion recruit armour when spawned.

His playing card quote. Was posted earlier in this thread.