I was playing Honest Hearts last night and I began to Mr. Joshua Graham in the Narrows. He told me that he originally thought that I (the courier) would be another a courier, one that he seems to hint tried to assassinate Joshua Graham and failed but he did escape. Is this other courier Ulysses? It seems that this could very well be more foreshadowing for Lonesome Road. Plus, Graham does detail the Divide somewhat, saying the place practically destroyed an NCR convoy because of the storms and the "hole in the earth". Anyone else notice this in Honest Hearts? Thoughts?

You forgot to mention that the other Courier (Ulysses) is also hinted to be part of Legion.

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Or... Damn my mind is foggy... Not feeling like replaying the entire DLC with my previous character just to find this dialogue line but I remember something about him saying that he's used to Caesar's frumentarii and has killed many before, somewhere in that dialogue he mentions something about Ulysses...

Yea I just played it and don't have exact dialogue but definitely hints at him being in the legion.

I think Graham says that he believes the other Courier is a Frumentari, but he could just be working for Caesar (presumably in a manner similar to a legion aligned player).

I swear if Ulysses turns out to be the long lost Legion companion that I've been waiting on forever that I can take back with me to the Mojave, I will almost forgive Obsidian for how horribly biased the game is.

I think it was absolutely him. Also, hole in the earth? http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon/Crater_Earth.jpg

It's in Arizona. Though I have a feeling that it's too far into Legion territory so it would be out of non-Legion characters comfort zone, and CL might have already investigated thoroughly.

The Divide sounds more like Death Valley.

It's entirely possible. NCR would likely have no interest in that barren strip of desert even if it wasn't a storm-ridden go-here-and-don't-come-back place. Plus, it is just several miles west of where the Canyon wreckage is, and that has the Lonesome road graffiti on it.

I wouldn't count on it.

The dialog in Honest Hearts seems to suggest that Ulysses was a Frumentarii whose job it was to obtain the Platinum chip. Instead, he deliberately dropped the job and basically betrayed the Legion, all for the sake of whatever grudge he holds against you. Other than that, the main game and the DLCs have just been so anti-Legion so far that it'd both be shocking if the VERY last DLC gave the Legion something and I doubt many players would still be on good enough terms with the Legion to use him. I mean, he could be pro-Legion in his opinions and who knows, maybe he is a companion, but I don't think his pro-Legionness would go any further than his opinion. A die-hard, pro-Legion personality would basically mean Ulysses would try to kill the NCR supporters, whereas the DLC makes it sound like he's willing to make peace with his hunt and be on his way/finally bring things to an end. Sounds more like an issue involving Speech to make him leave peacefully, not rep.
I remember reading somewhere that one of the Producers was in charge of two of the DLCs and the other was in charge of the other two. I think the guy in charge of Honest Hearts is also in charge of Lonesome Road. If that's the case, don't hold your breath.



The dialog also offers you to ask what he thinks of the Legion, Mr. House and the NCR. The Mr. House dialog is the usual "who the **** is that?" sort of response, to the Legion he basically says "no comment," and to the NCR he mentions some of the key problems they had at the First Battle of Hoover Dam. He mentions the Divide and the Big Empty being obstacles that the NCR has to work around when sending more supplies, with the Legion scouts and spies personally reporting that all NCR who enter the Divide are never heard from again. Big Empty is briefly mentioned as an obstacle but he stresses the danger of the Divide the most. Either way, geographically, this would put both the Divide and the Big Empty between Vegas and California/in California. Death Valley is kind of a big deal, so yeah. Come to think of it, I think he even confirms it's Death Valley, once calling it that.

Pretty sure that the Divide was stated to be something called Death Valley in the game.

1. That'd be the worst thing ever
2. You're always legion biased.

There is absolutely nothing about Ulysses that leads me to believe he's Legion. I just think he took the new "supah awsum Legion slavah playuh" mantle that Graham had for the Legion fanbase.

Just take a look at the guy's shirt for crying out loud.
I do think he'll have some small connection to the Legion, but I doubt it will be in the way that we think. He could be a double agent working against the Legion on behalf of the Mojave for all we know.

I wonder if he's at all related to the mysterious Mr. Bill Calhoun. Calhoun was sent to meet with The Blackfoot with Graham. That's what the frumentari do, meet with new tribes, and carry messages.

No it's only fair considering 4 companions leave you if you side with Legion in Vanilla.

1.) Why?
2.) I'm a big fan of Caesar's Legion, let there be no doubt about that, but I'm in no way biased. I'm never subjective when it comes to argumentation here. If I'm ever proven wrong about anything I will admit so.




I only remember Boone and Arcade leaving you if you side with the Legion?

People can call me biased all they want, but the Legion were throughly screwed in NV.

Veronica and Cass leaves at some point as well IIRC.

I'd think the Veronica one isn't a Legion exclusive since everyone wants the BoS gone, and if I remember correctly Cass only leaves you if you have bad karma.

You're right, looked it up, bad karma = her leaving.
That leaves 3 characters then.

Veronica doesn't leave if you tell her to quit the Brotherhood during her quest.

And if we don't?

Well yeah... she leaves.

I must have missed out on some dialogue then, I never heard him say Death Valley. Well that's cool.

The she leaves because you blow up her home and kill all of her friends.
Not really sure it has that much to do with the Legion, same thing happens if you destroy them in the name of House or the NCR...

If the Legion fans get a Pro-Legion Companion, I demand a Pro-House companion :verymad: (Arcade doesnt like House, Cass and Boone are NCR, and Veronica is a BoS so these four dont count as 'pro-house')

Liberty Prime's twin brother from the big empty maybe? :celebration: