Both are equally bad!

I'd say that's apt.

*Except [nitpicking] it's not "Fallout", that's the original game; (followed by "Fallout 2").

Troika Games closed its doors three years before Fallout 3 was released. Not even acquiring the license would have kept them afloat, considering Vampire wasn't selling enough (Course, releasing the same day as Half-Life 2 didn't help it. One disadvantage of using the Source Engine before Valve had officially released the Source Engine) and they couldn't find a publisher interested with their own post-apocalyptic endeavor.

Yeah, Troika made a bid for Fallout - but by that point they were already a dying studio.

They torturered and murdered fallout. They brought the greatest series in the world to ruin. When it has the potential to make billions. I will never forget how i waited on f3 and how they lied, destroyed and released garbage and then went belly up.

I mean the Fallout franchise

I don't care about the money potential; I wanted to play the proper game. There is no doubt whatsoever that the proper game hasn't anywhere near the profit potential of Bethesda's [alien] design... It's like making Betamax tapes; the market is for those with a Betamax tape player..

I'm not Angry at all, I can't wait for Fallout 4. Although if some features are gone, of course I'm going to be annoyed and voice my displeasure. Plus we need to criticize because Criticism doesn't mean we hate you, we care and want it better, that's why.

The only thing I don't like about Fallout 4 is the UI looks terrible, that's it. Everything else I like so far. Even Voiced Protagonist which I was initially concerned about, is no longer an issue for me.

I loved arcanum and bloodlines but they are not close to f3 in quality and content.

That is why Troika crashed. Had they gotten fallout. Shudder. Another half assed game before dying. Who knows what would have happened to my beloved fallout.

That would have been "better" as far as I'm concerned. When I see FO3/4/? I see a taxidermied friend stuffed with animatronics; used as a lobby greeter.

I know, you are blinded by hate. You want to see fallout die. There should be only 1 and 2.

I am so glad that fallout is loved by millions and hated by so few.

So i can keep getting the best games bar none

Pretty much but add the Elder Scrolls stuff into my mix. Bethesda actually made me enjoy a post Apocalypse game which is pretty amazing for me.

I agree with you, but I think that's important for people to grasp.

Bethesda games are taken for granted any more for their bugginess. It just comes with the territory, and the community has become accustomed to that. But for as bad as Bethesda games are...Troika games (Especially Temple of Elemental Evil) were worse.

That's subjective. There's no guarantee that a Troika Fallout would have been any better then a Bethesda Fallout. Indeed, my biggest gripe with Troika games is that their stories almost universally have terrific build up, then fall flat on their face at the climix. The big bad of Arcanum was someone you'd not even know unless you did one single, easy to miss sidequest. Vampire...don't even get me started about that dang sarcophagus.

Fallout 3's main story may not have been anything special - even by Bethesda's standards - but at least it didn't actively disappoint like Troika's tales (And I adore Arcanum and Vampire as games).

No he doesn't want that.

He wants that the new games will be like the old ones.

Like i said before it's more of nostalgia than hate.

Seriously? Second hand information about audience reaction to a door opening animation?

That's not very convincing evidence that VB would have been better.

But pc and consoles has taken vast leaps in power. You dont love fallout when you want that old nostalgia. You love the old memory.

I want more fallout. And i want it to use todays pc power.

I can be nostalgic about fallout 2, or 3. But i would not want bethesda to do f4 as they did f3. There is new possibilities now. Use them.

I want f4 to prove that fallout can have 50 million customers. Fallout is the very best in etertainment. Or as Todd Howard said: in the world of entertainment very few things are as good as Fallout

Guys, let's knock off the name calling and thinking we understand Gizmo's motives. People are free to disagree with each other without hostility.

Not at all [to both]

@CG Rust: That is not subjective ~it is my opinion, and my opinion is that it's better to me.

@Tennisgolfboll: Fallout is dead, has been since Bethesda optioned it. What's left is what most know as Fallout.
(No different than if a child was taught that bon bons are called Brussels Sprouts.)

It's all that most fans of the day would need; the quote was direct from a respected member of the team. ~The guy that invented the PA suits.
(If he was happy with it, I would have been happy with it.)

*Incidentally, he also said that Interplay selling to Bethesda felt like an ex-wife selling their kid.

Uhh, no. Fallout without Bethesda would be alright because it would've been picked up by other companies. Or it would be abandoned.

Not to mention that the modding community for Fallout 1/2 is still active and are doing a lot of total conversions that really change how the game works. And I am not even mentioning Russian mods.

Also, I don't need to mention here that Todd Howard does not understand what Fallout is about, and says that Fallout for him is "killing people and hearing 50s music", which is more like Borderlands (although without a 50s music), not Fallout.

And yes, Fallout 3 and certainly 4 are not RPGs, they're just open world shooters with minor RPG elements that FO4 further dumbed down.

Careful expressing those kinds of thoughts around here these days, lest you be branded as a "hater".

Right. That's subjective...as in the literal definition there of (placing excessive emphasis on one's own moods, attitudes, opinions).

You are entitled to your opinion, but there's literally no way to know that Troika would have done any better a job then Bethesda.

If you feel that fallout is dead why post here? Why not use your time for something you enjoy? Or do you perhaps enjoy hating bethesda? (This is the case for some)

I love fallout. And every bit of news is exciting to hear. So i really like this forum and bethesda for saving Fallout, and showing just how entertaining it is.

But still you keep playing it, the "what's left" games.

The original Fallout is dead since 1998, the new Fallout is born in 2008.

Of course you can call Beth evil and say that it isn't Fallout.

But that won't change a thing, people will continue playing and replaying these games because they like it.

Ps: I guess that FNV that you hardcoe fans like is one of those "what's left" games .....

Actually, he does have a way to know that Troika would've done better. Troika was led by Tim Cain, the creator of Fallout. Tim Cain knows much more than Bethesda about the lore and the idea of Fallout. Obviously, this is only talking about story and like. Gameplay, etc, yes, there's no way to know. Tim Cain now works at Obsidian.

Not at all ~again. It's never nostalgia when you have the originals installed side by side for comparison.

Same here. I posit that you are perhaps blinded by the thought that FPP sandbox is some grand panacea that improves anything and everything; it's not.

This is the official Fallout forum (for all of the games in the series.)


Not for years, and when I did, it was mod testing; the game itself got boring a few hours in.

I don't think they are evil; I'd call them pragmatic.

I'd call NV... developed while on the leash.

Reading this post makes me feel as if I have been transported to some bizarre alternate universe where Fallout 3 actually had a decent, coherent storyline, and Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines didn't. Arcanum and Temple of Elemental Evil had some serious problems, but I thought Troika did a fantastic job on Bloodlines despite its bugs.