http://www.imperial-library.info/category/tags/talos

The following is an Altmeri comment on Talos.

Typical cult gibberish

The Thalmor aren't a cult....

Yeah I have no idea what the hell they are talking about.

they're not too far from it either.

they're basically a subsection of the aldmeri government that focuses itself on its religious beliefs, it just happens that those are believing that they'll "ascend" for lack of a better word by erasing the races of men and mundus from existence.

To kill Man is to reach Heaven, from where we came before the Doom Drum's iniquity. When we accomplish this, we can escape the mockery and long shame of the Material Prison.

To achieve this goal, we must:

1) Erase the Upstart Talos from the mythic. His presence fortifies the Wheel of the Convention, and binds our souls to this plane.

Game - there are rumours the Thalmor have made worship of Talos illegal / frowned upon after the war.

2) Remove Man not just from the world, but from the Pattern of Possibility, so that the very idea of them can be forgotten and thereby never again repeated.

Sounds ominous.

3) With Talos and the Sons of Talos removed, the Dragon will become ours to unbind. The world of mortals will be over. The Dragon will uncoil his hold on the stagnancy of linear time and move as Free Serpent again, moving through the Aether without measure or burden, spilling time along the innumerable roads we once travelled. And with that we will regain the mantle of the imperishable spirit.

Sounds like Alduin moving about being destructive, as per the main plot.

This connects the outlaw of Talos worship with the erasure of mankind. Why do the High Elves want to do this? In order to achieve godhood. What I've posted sort of explains the connection between all of these things. It's something I've been wondering about for a while now.

They want Elves to transcend the physical plane and ascend to something like immortality.

To do so they believe Men must disappear. Their victories over the Empire already allowed them to implement part of this. The cult of Talos is banned and they have the Empire on a short leash.

In Skyrim, many Nords refuse to give up their old beliefs and the Thalmor see this as a threat. They'll back the Empire to the hilt into crushing the Stormcloaks, not because they care about Imperial unity, but because the Empire is subservient and can help them eradicate the god of Man.

They do realize that Alduin won't discriminate between man and mer right?

I was more talking about Akatosh. Because he is kind of already trying to kill us.

And I'd like to see how the Thalmor expects to eradicate all of mankind, and even make them "impossible."

You do realize that they don't particularly care about life on this plane of existence, right?

If i realized that, then i wouldn't have said what i said now would i? Thats some realization for dat ass.

It started already with the outlawing of Talos worship. If they can cause people to stop worshiping him, he'll cease to exist. He somehow binds their souls to Tamriel so that they cannot be recycled into the cosmos. The universe in TES is constantly cycling and changing. Talos changed that. He binds things where they are. Something like that.

For WAY more information on this than anyone can really understand, see http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1249697-on-boethiahs-summoning-day/.

I now officially change my answer too...

Kill them. Kill them all.

The lack of lore knowledge of many of the posters is showing - it's been a while but if I remember right... this is what they mean:




According to the elves (and, quite likely holds some truth) the elves were like daedra, immortal - the creation of the material world, and man brought them down from their immortal state and they still blame the races of man to this day.



The divines are what make the material realm what it is, and it appears that belief makes them what they are - removing belief in a god will weaken it's existance and weaken it's control over reality in theory. Talos, as the man-god reinforces mankind's hold and power over the material world, if the elves are to ever return things to the mythic era state first thing that has to go is talos).




Not entirely clear on the meaning, but the elves think man was largely responsible for their mortality. It's inevitable they want man gone - in a timeless world you REALLY have to make sure they're erased. If you looped back through time to a point mankind existed again you'd be back to square one.



As I explained earlier, the divines make the world what it is. Prior to the material world's existance where the divines bound themselves and set their rules, things like "time" were not linear, akatosh is probably the single most important figure because the world as we know it is entirely dependant on time moving in a linear, predictable fashion - this is the bedrock of everything else in the mortal world. Evidentlly they believe that in removing mankind's grip on the plane, they'll be able to unlock akatosh's connection too which'd be the first step to moving the world back into a timeless, non linear state (Look up the "http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dragon_Break" for an example of what happened the last time they tried to break akatosh's hold on the mortal realm).

The Dragon Break is very interesting...makes me think that it might be possible for the defeat of Alduin to cause a Dragon Break, thus allowing Bethesda to not have to decide on a canonical winner in the civil war.

That's the whole reason why I posted this. It seems to me that this much is important for all of us to understand. We have to understand what the Thalmor are doing, what their motivation is, why they've outlawed Talos worship, and why it's important to fight them.

THIS is why the Stormcloaks are rebelling against the Empire. They're trying to save Talos, and by saving HIM, all humanity.

It is the belief of the Thalmor that the belief of sentient races define the rules of reality. Gods and Daedra exist because sentient beings believe in them.

Men believe that high elves are simply another species of mortal humanoids, so the Thalmor reason that the beliefs of men bind them as mortals.

If they eliminate the worship of talos, they eliminate talos. If they eliminate all men, and all trace of men, then they eliminate the belief in men, and men become impossible.

The Thalmor seek to literally re define the physical and metaphysical rules of their own reality by brute force and indoctrination.

It's not entirely clear why the Thalmor have focused their ire only on men, and not on all sentient beings, but perhaps "men" is really a code word for "all non Elves" or "all non High Elves" or "All who are not Thalmor."

Genocide doesn't have justification to it. Reasons for their madness are lost and forfeit until they can navigate their sanity back from a psychotic state. If they ever can. Until then, they'll always resemble the occult world of so many mass-murderers.

There literally is no way for them to ever bring about a return to their old world- not in their current universe. Going back in time, their blood will still have the memory of having existed with humans. Thus, there will still be suffering, for both races.

In early human history, it is thought that we as a species sought out and completely removed other human-like species from existence. Though it's more probable this was also the cause of natural disasters and Darwinism. We are here, yet the suffering of those that are gone will never be erased, even if we completely forget, the universe won't. Neither will our blood. Everything that happens in this world, whether by our hands or not lives on in the memory of our cells. Such is the "divine" flow of life through all existence. It's the same in Tamriel.

I read something about the Stormcloaks fighting for Shor/Shezarrine, but I'm not sure about that. They are fighting for their old traditions though.

I'm wanting to roleplay an Altmer who does not go along/agree with what the Thalmor believe and preach. Just out of curiosity, is there any basis of ,or precedent for, this in the Lore? Is it possible that some Altmer might actually like life on this plane of existence, or at the very least feel wiping out all of man is probably taking their religious views a little too far?

Yep, the Thalmor are crazy, this confirms it. Do they really believe that somehow they can wipe out all men? They are fools if they think so. Does their hate include the beast races aswell, because if it does the Thalmor are in for one hell of a beating, They are just asking for a massive civial war in Tamriel. Nords, Redguards, Imperials, Breton, Orc, Dunmer, Argonians and Khajiit versus Bosmers and Atlmer.

Surely they don't think that they can win?

Well when I played a nord in Oblivion I don't remember getting a bunch of evil eyes from every Altmer I came in contact with.

most of the young altmers of this generation don't agree with the older altmers who are part of the thalmor.

That's something at least

I've not read up on much to do with the Thalmor as I want to find out about them in game, but I was hoping that this was the case.