W hore is fine but "Claret Courtesan," is also an option. Or "Sanguine (S)lut." "Blood Wench," Is decent if you want to keep it pc. "Vitae Mistress," If you want to go high brow.

I actually thought of calling her blood wench or blood prosttute, which is basically what she is since she charges for a feed.

I don't care about ratings or if people are offended. All the films which inspired me are rated R so expect some gritty advlt content in this mod. Its not a six mod but I'm not pulling any punches to get mass appeal. This mod is about creating a dark underworld for a true vampire experience.

Indeed and I respect you for it. This seems to be much like the work of Qarl. Only less lore compromising, Undead clubs were found in bounty upon the laurels of his mod. I still wish is opus were completed though. But as Stomper said anyone else making would just end up ruining it. Qarl was fantastic at separating his morals and sense of commonality* from his writing.

It seems much like vampire embrace and The Underground were put together. A fantastic quest chain with a renovation of glamorous proportions to the vampires.

This, combined with Terran Vampires 2.0, deadly reflex 6.0, the deep and a smattering of other mods soon to be released, will make the game much more like Morrowind was in its heyday and indeed still is. It is odd how it seems each game comes further into it's own abriast the rise of each succeeding relative in the series.

I apologize for the odd posting style I recently came back from my VtM group I am still kind of getting out of character. Toreador are fun to play, if slightly awkward for one such as myself.

(Note:I am unsure as to whether this is the right word, basically he was excellent at not giving a care as to whether people thought he went to far. I haven't seen a modder with as massive genitalia since then. As it is now he was banned for things that wouldn't have mattered as much now. But as far as that I can say no more. He is gone and we are still here, that is sad and I wish there was a small amount reckoning but I doubt we shall ever see it.)

Hah, I used to post right after playing as a Malkie - beat that ;]

Never tried Toreador, though, especially after my friend's character got severely burned staring with bloody tears in her eyes at an exceptionally beautiful sunset, ugh.

I used to play malks, lassies are also fun. I generally play a Gangrel or Nosferatu, though.

Hyh, I hate both - Nossies, because I guess they're happy to be hated (a bit like emos), and the Gangrel, who would be great if not my profound hatred for furries which they inevitably become, bleh, bleh, I say.

I think my favourites are the Tremere, but yes, the Keepers are fun to play, too. Especially the antitribu - actually, the closest I got to a Torrie was my ancilla Lasombra Harpy poseur. Uh, I wish I could play her again, but my VtM troupe disintegrated some time ago, as well as my VtR group, so now I mainly play one-shot PBF sessions and suffer from near-constant RPG withdrawal.

City Gangrel, mate. Most of the furries I know play werewolf. I like nossies because I can be an asshat and nobody complains. You can do that will malks too but nossies aren't crazy. That being said Toreador is only fun until the ST mentions the van Gogh hanging next to you AFTER the hunters enter your apartment.

I actually managed torture a hunter into signing a contact that gave me rights to his soul as a nossie, once.

Ahh, City Gangrel are another story, but furry factor still enters the equation - the Gangrel suffer from the stupidest weakness White Wolf could think of, which is growing bunny ears after getting pissed off; yes, that happened to my Gangrel the last and only time I played one. Being a Playboy cover-girl was fun for a while, but eventually got silly. Heh, see my VtM meme in my deviantART gallery (link in my profile).

Ad. Torries: Yeah, you know, I wonder how that Clan survived Antiquity ;>

You had a bad ST then. The mark of the beast is supposed to be beast-like not cute. I had ravens eyes on my last gangrel. I had to purchase sun-glasses... At night. Other good ones are claws, fore-claws(nothing like a claw coming off your forearm to startle the norms.), various other eyes, maybe some light furring, discolorations/striping, second sets of fangs, I saw a guy play a gangrel with a beak once, and vestigial bat ears.

Huh? But bunnies ARE bloodthirsty, nightmarish, predatory beasts and horrors incorporated - why, do you think, the giant teeth and hoppy legs?

But still, I think Gangrel in VtR got it better - now their weakness reflects animalistic instincts, better suiting the clan, rather than, hmm, feathers in the hair. The new Nosferatu seem less silly as well - not just fugly as hell (though it happens too) but rather preternaturally disturbing. Hmm... But then, almost everything in nWoD makes more sense.

I'm gonna have to buy those some time soon or not remove them from inventory(Yargh.) You're actually one of the first old worlders I've met who says they didn't ruin it with nWoD.

Yes, and you aren't the first person to tell me that. The problem that most oldworlers have (and which I had as well at first) is that they dismiss the nWoD and VtR right after reading the corebook and seeing that their favourite clans and sects are gone. Only after acquainting myself with the other supplements, clanbooks, covenantbooks, getting used to the concept of Bloodlines, Covenants and Blood Potency (initially I missed Generations) did I see the genius of the new system. Mechanically nWoD, forgive the expression, pwns the old one as well. Reducing combat rolls in a turn from at least four (hit, dodge, damage, soak - nightmare!) to one, balancing supernatural powers (Celerity anyone? ;>) and, most importantly, getting rid of inter-sub-system inconsistencies by universalising the setting are what I liked the most.

I love VtM stuff, but this mod is not VtM nor WoD. Also, the Terran Vampires is on it's own thread. Don't expect that these two mods will be compatible even though it could be possible (but yes, I have been and will be playing Terran Vampires also on alternate characters).

I'm not trying to be wet towel, I just don't want to discourage Madmole's own work. This mod has nothing to do with VtM.

But yeah, the quality (and quantity) of vampire stuff in Morrowind has not yet been achieved in Oblivion ..... yet.

TV doesn't even touch standard vampires, mon. Yes we went off on a tangent, VtM players are wont to do so. It honestly had nothing to do with the mod itself and more to do with the fact that I made a comment about VtM. Try commenting about warhammer on [censored] or really anywhere. You get about the same reaction.

Wow I got all these emails showing massive #'s of comments then its just two guys going back and forth about something I've never even heard of, lol.

Anyhow... PM that stuff next time dudes. I personally don't care, but I think there's probably a lot of readers who have to sift through that stuff to get to the relevant goods.

Update: Ok so last night I got the shopkeeper stuff working. It was incredibly easy just like I thought. I hit a snag with my quest script not running in one section where I put the code... so there must be a return in there somewhere I forgot about or some condition... so that slowed me down. I moved the code up towards the top and it worked great then. The only thing I need to do is figure out a global method of vampire charm to use on all seduction/influence topics.

What characteristics do you guys think should influence a Vampire's ability to charm?

For sure:
vampire age
personality
wearing armor
target willpower

Optional?
same/opposite six?
level?

Anything else? Persuasion skill?

Personality definitely. Persuasion too. Maybe even illusion.
Armour probably shouldn't matter. There are too many good looking modded ones that the mod can't identify. Even heavy Armour. Girls probably like to see a man in heavy Armour anyways. But that's just my humble opinion.
Target willpower sounds good.
I can't remember, but is there also a moral meter for NPC's? Like some won't report you if they see you stealing. Those who aren't morally inhibited would be more inclined to go along.

I don't know about what criterias to add, but I'm not fond of NPC's level. It seems like such an arbitrary value sometimes...

Haha, what was the name of that book in Morrowind that talks about that guy that was more flexible in armor than out of it? lol

These are all good, speechcraft and illusion are good ideas if you want skills to play a role. Personally Id keep it gender-neutral, and I echo the warning of the poster above me regarding armor. If armor is taken into account, its likely not to work with mod armors and such. My uber-sixy Exnem Rogue armor or my high-end OOO armor should turn more heads than any Deadric Platemail So if you go that route, pretty much gotta base it on the armor's value rather than pre-established lists, and then you have the odd effect of hindering high-quality clothes, which would suit a vampire well but never cost more than simple leather...

It might be wise to simply add a small "charm bonus" to a select few pieces of gear youll be adding with your mod, and to make everything else perform neutrally. A penalty for being naked is fine tho

Heh, sorry about that - Obsessive-Compulsive Geektalk, can't really control that ;>


Hunger & 'Coffin deficiency' perhaps? Without delving too deep this time, someone who's hungry or sleepy probably isn't the most effective seducer around?
kostresa also mentioned Responsibility, which IMO is a great idea - a captain of the guard may not be as inclined to leave his post as a pirate his table, whether compelled by mind control or a bribe - I guess morality also contributes to a kind of 'influence resistance' (well, really, guards don't all have to be saints, but since everything in Oblivion is either black or white - with the exception of Shivering Isles, where you can also spot pink - I guess you can get away with such generalisations).
And of course disposition could be a minor factor too - we're talking mind control, so liking you isn't really all that important, but may still slightly contribute to the overall subconscious psychological immunology - after all, it's easier to be influenced by someone you trust, when your guard is down and familiarity weakens the sense of reason, than by a total stranger who comes up and says "a bite plzzzz!!!1".

Good point about armors. No I will just remove all that stuff from having any influence.


Ok so I now have the following criteria which will be used to see if your vampire persuasion methods will work, which decide if a seduction or shopkeeper package will work or not:

vampire age
personality
target willpower
hunger
illusion skill
speechcraft
hunger
coffin cravings
disposition
responsibility
Anything else? If so you have about 5 hours to say something because once I code it in I don't want to revisit it.

How about Reputation? More Famous/Infamous people usually have more success in charming people. Perhaps also a check on if your an Arena Faction Member (or just if your Champion)?

Goodness knows how easy those famous sports figures can charm people easily hehe.

I thought about fame and infamy, but they I know infamy influences how much people seem to like you anyway so I'm not sure I should put those in or not. There's probably a million factors a person could consider, but I don't even bother with the arena stuff anymore. The adoring fan is a can of worms I just don't like to open.

Looks good!

The mod is looking good, I am seriously looking forward to this with much anticipation! I think this will revive Oblivion for me!