A question:

In UVII when we sheath our weapon, what happens to the off-hand weapon (if we have one) ?

- It disappears
- It appear backside
- It stay on left hand
- ...

Some of these questions have already been answered, and I hope I'm not stepping on your feet Hex. Let me know if otherwise.



Unsure of #1, but UV2 should be compatible with just about everything out there.
# 2 Is due to the way throwing works. This has been explained in several posts already.

I believe Hex stated you can throw any object that has collison on it. Pots, plates, anything. Spears included, but you'll have to find a mod that adds them in.



This one is a little obscured in the posts, but I think it stays in the left hand atm. The mechanics to "shield on back" are quirky and I believe Hex has choosen atm to not use that right now.

Oh thanks for clearing that up Hex....oh I mean lonewolf :rofl:

Just to clear things up as myself...



Yes.



Because the movement of objects is tied to framerate a really rubbish framerate makes the object flight look very unnatural. When i'm capturing full screen video with fraps it often brings my framerate down to single figures. Suffice to say it looks better in game than the video really shows. I'm still tinkering a bit with the throwing engine (and specifically the object speed) to see if there's anything I can do about it.



There is support for spears but UV doesn't add any weapons. If you fave something where the mesh or object is called spear, halberd, javelin or one of a bunch of other polearm names then it will be considered a spear. That means if you throw it it will fly straight (instead of rotating) as a spear should. And will use the spear animations instead of the standard attack.



The old weapon on back feature has ben removed because it's just a bit too unstable. When NifSE gets its rotation functions sorted out it may bake a reappearance (along with normal shield on back). Until the you have two options (configurable in the INI). Your weapon/shield disappears when you sheath your main weapon or it stays in your left hand.

I think that covers the latest batch of questions - and thanks kyle for pointing people in the right direction while I'm out walking the dog

HeX

Im glad to hear about that, I was getting kinda worried.



That is going to be sooo awsome being able to use spears. I am really looking forward to this. I hope Nifse and obse hurries up.

Oh, and since it was brought up, http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=32363 :wink_smile:

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and diddo on the nifse/obse19 release.

haha i just downloaded that about 10 minutes before you said that. but thanks anyway. the best spear mod i have seen so far.

AND the spear animations are for melee as well was thrown!! :celebration:

mmmmm....that spear pack looks very nice! I hope I can get hold of light weight roman style spears (pilum?, pila?). Then I could launch a few & then charge into close quarters!! soooooooo cool.

Hex, I think you may have missed my question:



Oh, and another question: can you kick while jumping, or is it restricted to being a ground attack?

Hey, do you think you could send em the files and stuff to DP combat archery..i cannot find it...

Here's a link to his thread for that mod. But for the love of god & all that is good read the whole thread & the readmes that come with the mod! A few people didn't read it properly & moaned about his mod, so it's trickier to get.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1093453-relz-duke-patricks-combat-archery-mod-thread-2/

EDIT: Oh & sorry HeX you can have your thread back now! lol (no, seriously sorry for the temporary hijack!)

hay hex i was wandering something

if oblivion still considers the off hand weapon while duel wielding a shield then when u sheath ur weapon does it still leave the off hand out? or if u have the place shield on back working would it equip it on ur back?? if so would it be possible to get the game to recognize when u are duel wielding and place both weapons over the back? kinda like how Dragon Age does when u sheath ur weapons on it.... or is it possible to equip them off hip like the weapon usually does in main hand so that u have a weapon off both hips?.... just some thinking ive been doing from a aesthetic stand point.

Well the fact is, while I could make it work just fine for any vanilla lights, I didn't really like the approach I was forced to take. It wouldn't be flexible towards mod added objects, and it was done in a very non-generic (though probably normal for most modders) way - by making "out" versions of most of the lights and swapping them in as necessary. I'm not happy working that way. I have a suspicion that I can do it correctly using NifSE by removing the SFX childen of a given mesh - and thus have it work generically for every light, and if I can do that then I will, but because of the current issues with NifSE just returning the same mesh every time, it's not really possible for me to develop it properly a the moment. I'll see what I can do after I get an updated version, but for now i've removed it from the feature list. So i'd say - it's out for now, but I consider it to be on the back burner and I haven't given up on the idea.



I answered this just a few posts ago:



Basically one I have mesh rotation and translation from NifSE I can put the weapon/shield anywhere, but until then it's a choice between disappearing or staying in your hand. I probably won't put both weapons on your back as that will break the "draw weapon" animation. More likely i'll go with having them both belted one on either side of your hips.

can't wait to be able to dowse even Real Lights added lights!

you should post in the AWLS thread to ask about using it to detect windows meshes btw

so no :shakehead:

If there was a magic percentage done thingy that could tell how much you are done on the mod if you waved it, what would it read? And I know, OBSE 19 has to be finished also. Do you happen to know when that is coming out?

It would read "100% of what is written in the OP" (with about 0.1% needing changed when NifSE and OBSE19 are available)

Also complete: a bounty hunter system, and a bunch of other odds and ends that I have either forgotten to mention, or have come up in the course of this thread.

Release is delayed pending the availability of NifSE and ObSE19

I'm now working on a big new feature with WhoGuru while I wait for those releases. If they both turned up tomorrow, I suspect there would be a delay to release, but I don't expect this to take much more than a week or so at my end.

As to stuff that depends on NifSE for me to develop that may or may not be in the initial release, depending on how much people want it released sooner rather than later, those features are:

Weapon Rotation
Shield on Back
Secondary Weapon belted at right hip
Light dousing

And they all currently stand (as you might imagine) at 0% though there is already some infrastructure in place to support them.

Strictly, I also have to write a manual and pretty up the INI but i'll probably do that sometime soon.

All I can say is I definitely would love the features you're waiting on for NifSE.

If you were going to release those feature in the first release, how long would it take you to include them considering you have 0% done on them?

Also is the light douse the same as the one in the thieves arsenel mod? Good Job on everything in this mod, honestly when I saw the first UV i didn't get it because it looked buggy and there were to many req's, but this looks 100 times better than UV1 and i am really looking forward to playing it!

I think that the better way is:
The first UVII release must come just after OBSE19 and NifSE releases.
The second release will come when all the other features are 100% done.

I wonder if it is possible to intergrate this to oblivion engine and perhaps see UV with locomotion system some day?

http://unity3d.com/support/resources/unity-extensions/locomotion-ik

I'd be willing to wait on those features.

well my comfy chair is still comfy and i still have about half of my snacks soooooooo i guess i could wait for those really neat features :goodjob:

Its really hard to be certain. with the translation/rotation based ones it just depends how long it takes me to get my head around the necessary matrix manipulations, but once I get one the others should fall into place pretty quickly.

For the dousing lights it's another story. I'm not even sure if the approach i'm thinking of CAN work. I'll just have to wait and see.



Not the same no - the problem with that approach is that it's just not generically applicable and I don't build features into mods unless they can be applied to any mod added objects as well as just vanilla.



Thankyou - UV1 was indeed rather buggy. It was as much a proof of concept as anything else. This is now the mod I had originally intended to build. There are still some requirements, but not as many as there were before.



Um what? No I can't add this stuff to the engine. As far as I know that's not even possible. Adding the locomotion system to OB is probably impossible too.

That's what I was thinking you would say. I hope it is possible. that would be a thief's dream to take out the lights....it would be cool to take out torches also but that sounds insanely hard to do so im not expecting it. Anyway good job and good luck on those existing features!