My hard-core mode wish list.

Drugs, Alcohol and Pain in Hard-core Mode.

Trapping

Fresh food going off

I want hard-code mode but I don't want bethesda to wimp out on normal mode. If something is considered difficult, it shouldn't be thrown into hard-code mode because hey its hard(er). I just dislike when I hear somebody mention a feature that is a positive RPG mechanic and because it adds choice it is thus complex and thus deserves to be thrown into the category of hardcoe.

I definitely want hardcoe mode to return. Has there been any evidence of the return of the survival skill? Or survival perks now I guess.

I don't want any of the 'additions' you added. Most of that 'drinking contest' stuff comes in the form of the main type of entertainment at the time. Given modern takes on things there are other, better options than just drinking. Especially since alcohol should only be as prevalent as it is as a form of disinfectant. Pain, trapping, all of that sort of stuff is stuff that gets in the way of having fun. Having something setup to remind you to eat/drink/sleep is a nice immersion bonus without really impacting gameplay. Stuff like increasing difficulty without the ludicrous 'can of beans heals you' is also a welcome addition. Much more than that is more trouble than its worth.

I have no personal interest in such a mode. I would like it to be named something else ("survival", "simulation", perhaps?), because the term "hardcoe" has so many negative associations to it ("casual vs hardcoe" arguments, people clinging to the term to prop up their self-esteem... as if it somehow makes them better/cooler, etc, etc, etc.)

I agree with this. Either one of those works for me.

Ideally with better survival requirements than FONV's. If you looked at a bed once a week, imagined eating a squirrel every days, and remembered what water tasted like every few hours, your needs stayed low.

They had the food/water needs progress relatively rapidly (so fast travel was a pain) but it was almost completely reset from eating/drinking one, maybe two things.

As for sleep, that bar may as well have not existed at all for all the good it did.

I think the sleep bar needs to move faster, maaaaybe the food/water a little slower (so waiting doesn't suddenly become deadly) but most importantly REDUCE HOW EFFECTIVE water/food is at satisfying those needs. I have an inventory full of stuff that isn't do anything useful because all I have to do is lick a gecko and I am full.

glad that there is a strongly positive response to hardcoe mode. I really miss it while playing FO3

Agreed. I want to play the game and not have to spend the majority of time scrounging around for food, medicines, etc. Some of those other features would make for good mods for those that really want it.

No because I will be modding all of that in anyway, similar to how I added it in for Skyrim.

i would like this option

if it is not in the game i am 200% sure there will be a mod out shortly after the creationkit/ GECK comes out

so i m not that worried

edit i will not be suprised they left it out intentionally sp the modding community can create something as good or better than they can

For me the important part is that it's modular, on paper NV hardcoe mode had a lot of interesting additions, but I quickly lost interest due to the hunger/water/sleep meters (if I wanted to play a game with those kind of meters I play the Sims)

So the option to turn on or off each effect and customise it would be nice.

Agreed. I would have gladly played NV with 'stimpacks heal over time' and 'stimpacks cannot heal limbs' toggles turned on, but they were bundled in with the FOD/H2O/SLP meters which just felt shallow and arbitrary. It shouldn't have to be all or nothing.

Realistic needs is always one of the first to pop up. followed by 30 yahoos claiming to make the biggest, bestest complete overhaul system, creating threads and Nexus pages extolling the virutes of the mod down to the finest detail and no one will ever see it.

I agree with this. I used to play FO3 with a 'needs' mod, and I was happy for the inclusion of hardcoe mode in NV, but I've kind of lost interest in that sort of thing. The eating/drinking/sleeping sounds good in theory, but doesn't really add much to gameplay--it's not particularly fun to manage those meters, nor does it contribute meaningfully to the difficulty.

I'd like to see the equivalent of J. Sawyer's patch added on to FONV's hardcoe more for FO4, but with a few changes.

1. Ammunition needs to weigh more.

2. Eating food should only eliminate hunger and drinking water should only eliminate thirst; they should not heal wounds at all. EDIT: sleeping should not heal wounds either. It should only eliminate sleep deprivation.

3. Stimpacks should be much harder to find, should weigh more, and should heal less.

4. Hostile NPCs should not stand run back and forth waiting to be shot in a firefight; they should be firing from cover and under cover when reloading- with the exception of those closing in for hand-to-hand encounters.

5. The player should be able to give orders to his companions in a manner not unlike Brothers In Arms; Hell's Highway.

6. Raiders (and their equivalents) should be far more prone to using conventional ballistic weaponry (good ones) than energy based firearms.

Just a few items for starters.

I would prefer Beth to implement a Hard-core / Survival Mode rather than leave it to the modding community to build the function from scratch. With FO3 there where some good attempts at Eat, Sleep and Drink Mods (though I have not tried any for a long time) all the ones that I tried did not really work that well. But if a HC/S mode is implemented by Beth it could be improved on by modders as the foundation would be there.

I support the calls for options to be given to turn off and on some HC/S features, or at the very least a two tiered system.

Freaking YES!

I want it,least the eating and drinking and sleeping basically like NV maybe more punishing this time around.

Also would like food to tap hunger and make you thirsty only not heal like in NV as well as water for thirst but no heal.

Heh,I play survival game on steam,there's a game called The long dark,would like the food to give a chance to get you poison when you freaking eat a 200 year old salisbury steak.

I would love for that to be an optional mode. I'd play survival mode for sure but I'd even settle for basic eat/drink/sleep with no healing benefits from food/drink plus giving weight to everything. This is the type of game where inventory management should be very strategic for survival in the wastes. Take only what you need to survive, so no industrial strength hair dryers Princess Vespa.

They'd have to include some sort of campfire system like in New Vegas though.

I asked Bethesda Softworks on twitter about it and got no response. Someone asked Pete on his twitter and he said they're not talking about modes yet... YET is the word that gave me a smidgeon of hope that we might actually see this in the vanilla version. Would be awesome for sure!

however it should not have vats, and possibly not even a hub.

If i wanted games to be work, i'd work in games industry

Ammo needs have weight, and -healing needs to happen over time, that's all the "hardcoe" (sarcasm quotes) the game needs.

I tried Sawyer's mod in New Vegas once. My character died of thirst while sleeping. I removed it.

I only played NV in normal mode maybe once or twice,after that always on hardcoe, it just feels wrong otherwise.

Hopefully they will introduce a hardcoe mode, but if not mods will fix it.

I would personally like to see a mode where the game is significantly more difficult, where food and water are actually a resource that you have to pay attention to. Loved New Vegas, but in the end "hardcoe" mode there ended up just meaning I needed a bunch of corn on hand, and some atomic cocktails.

Yes I would love if hardcoe was brought back. I personally cannot play Fallout NV on normal after playing on hardcoe, I also found it very hard to get back into Fallout 3 as I was so used to hardcoe.

While I don't really care for the drinking/eating/sleeping as it was far to easy to keep in check, I did enjoy how healing was handled and how ammo having weight changed up inventory management. Also companions being able to die added some risk to just charging in at things and while it normally made little difference to the outcome it was nice to have that small possibility that they wouldn't survive.

The most important thing for me, by far, is that healing is done over time.