[RELZ] Unofficial Oblivion Patch 3.2.0 thru 3.2.10 Supplemen : IV - Oblivion

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:46 pm

No I don't have any followers. I usually just wind up whacking them during battles

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:09 pm

No I don't have any followers. I usually just wind up whacking them during battles

Me too, they have a tendency to jump in front of my sword

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:13 pm

Or my spell

Ok, I got some interesting results:

Basically both Form ID finder and Refscope think Maglir is still part of the Fighters Guild faction.

Here's the Form ID finder results in the Conscribe log:

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Maglir(0002AE31) from mod 00:Oblivion.esm

Base Object Maglir(00024165) from mod 00:Oblivion.esm

Script: 00033570 from mod 00:Oblivion.esm

Mesh: Meshes\Characters\_Male\skeleton.NIF
Race Wood Elf(000223C8) from mod 00:Oblivion.esm
Faction Blackwood Company(0002FF29) Hidden: 0 Evil 1 from mod 00:Oblivion.esm
Faction Fighters Guild(0002228F) Hidden: 0 Evil 0 from mod 00:Oblivion.esm
** Dumping Array #225 **
Refs: 1 Owner 56: FormID Finder4.esp
[ 0.000000 ] : Iron Gauntlets (0001C6D2)
[ 1.000000 ] : Iron Helmet (0001C6CE)
[ 2.000000 ] : Iron Shortsword (00000C0D)
[ 3.000000 ] : Blackwood Cuirass (00038510)
[ 4.000000 ] : Blackwood Shield (0003647D)
[ 5.000000 ] : Iron Greaves (0001C6D0)
[ 6.000000 ] : Iron Boots (0001C6CF)
Begin Inventory check
Hand : Item Iron Gauntlets(0001C6D2) from mod 00:Oblivion.esm
Mesh: Meshes\Armor\Iron\M\Gauntlets.NIF
Icon: Textures\Menus\Icons\Armor\Iron\M\Gauntlets.dds
Hair : Item Iron Helmet(0001C6CE) from mod 00:Oblivion.esm
Mesh: Meshes\Armor\Iron\M\Helmet.NIF
Icon: Textures\Menus\Icons\Armor\Iron\M\Helmet.dds
Weapon : Item Iron Shortsword(00000C0D) from mod 00:Oblivion.esm
Mesh: Meshes\Weapons\Iron\ShortSword.NIF
Icon: Textures\Menus\Icons\Weapons\IronShortsword.dds
Upper Body : Item Blackwood Cuirass(00038510) from mod 00:Oblivion.esm
Mesh: Meshes\Armor\Blackwood\M\Curiass.NIF
Icon: Textures\Menus\Icons\Armor\Blackwood\Curiass.dds
Shield : Item Blackwood Shield(0003647D) from mod 00:Oblivion.esm
Mesh: Meshes\Armor\Blackwood\Shield.NIF
Icon: Textures\Menus\Icons\Armor\Blackwood\Shield.dds
Lower Body : Item Iron Greaves(0001C6D0) from mod 00:Oblivion.esm
Mesh: Meshes\Armor\Iron\M\Greaves.NIF
Icon: Textures\Menus\Icons\Armor\Iron\M\Greaves.dds
Foot : Item Iron Boots(0001C6CF) from mod 00:Oblivion.esm
Mesh: Meshes\Armor\Iron\M\Boots.NIF
Icon: Textures\Menus\Icons\Armor\Iron\M\Boots.dds
Location: Blackwood Company Hall (00030530)
Postion: (-574, -139, -3

And Refscope's log is much simpler:

----[ 2010-09-11 16:27:30]Blackwood CompanyFighters Guild

So, is it possible that when an NPC is already removed from a faction that if you set the faction rank to -1 again, that it actually adds him back into the faction?

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:06 am

So, is it possible that when an NPC is already removed from a faction that if you set the faction rank to -1 again, that it actually adds him back into the faction?

Try it in a fresh game and see :shrug:

More than likely, though, FormID Finder and Refscope are giving the true-er picture. They both use OBSE's faction functions (at least, I can't imagine any other method) to grab the factions, and I'll bet that SetFactionRank FightersGuild -1 sets it to -1 for checking GetFactionRank and GetInFaction, but doesn't remove it from the list that SameFactionAsPC and GetNthFaction refer to.

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:06 pm

Yeah, I'll think I'll put it aside for now. I've already moved on. I did try stripping out the quest changes that 3.3 makes and it didn't help.

So, if others have the same problem, we'll look at it some more, if not, then it's a strange quirk with my game...

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:11 pm

SameFactionAsPC is a vanilla function, so if the bug lies there, perhaps it's not properly checking the -1 return value? Would it be in any way possible for OBSE to correct something like that by overriding the function in its own source code?

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:01 am

How interesting, A bug in a vanilla function that didn't show itself until now

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:11 am

SameFactionAsPC is a vanilla function, so if the bug lies there, perhaps it's not properly checking the -1 return value? Would it be in any way possible for OBSE to correct something like that by overriding the function in its own source code?

But we don't think the problem lies in SameFactionAsPC, do we? It seems odd that Form ID finder and Refscope are still reporting Maglir as being in the Fighters Guild. That's how SameFactionAsPC is reporting true, because if there is something somewhere that's reporting Maglir as still being in the FG, then the PC and him would be in the same faction. What I don't understand is, why the game even thinks Maglir should still be in the FG in my game.

I'd go with an odd quirk in my game until we get someone else who runs into this.

What about the character you're keeping in the middle of the MQ for gate weather testing? Can you release him long enough to do some FG quests?

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:44 pm

He'd have to go through the entire guild since he hasn't ever joined it. It could be done, as could any of my others who haven't yet, but it would take awhile to get to that point.

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:57 pm

I've got a character who's only a quest or two into the Fighters' Guild, and some free time later next week...I'd be willing to shanghai her for testing purposes, if everyone's really interested in tracking this bug down. I do run that character with a pretty extensive mod list, though (although nothing that messes with the FG aside from the UOP, to my knowledge), which would no doubt make things messy.

Failing that, I'd also be willing to start a new game with just the UOP loaded and see what happens. Wouldn't be the first time I've gone on a completely OCD game-busting bug hunt.

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:48 pm

Any eyes on the issue will help, whether one of us gets there sooner or not. It could be one of those deeply buried things that's just never come up before.

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:58 pm

I'd appreciate all the help I can get since this is driving me bonkers

I think it's also beneficial if we have people with different LO's, so don't worry about that.

Thanks!!

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:47 am

One of my guys turned out to be close enough to "More Unfinished Business" to get there and then go find Maglir (the little fetcher!)

He's in the following factions, as I stand in Bravil looking at him sporting his BWC gear:

BravilFaction
ChorrolFaction
LeyawiinFaction
SkingradFaction
BlackwoodCompanyFaction

The "SameFactionAsPC" function is currently returning 0.00, so as of this point in time we don't share any factions in common. Which technically means the fix to The Hist is completely unnecessary.

It'll be quite some time before I'm able to reach the next encounter since there's the rest of this quest and 3 more in between before getting to stage 40 in The Hist.

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:49 am

I'll have a look and see if I have a saved game from that far back. Right now I'm having a problem getting rid of the stupid dagger from Martin and giving him a spiffy sword :banghead:

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:01 pm

Hmmm, we might be getting somewhere (ray of hope?).

I had an archived save and clicking on the little fetcher yielded the same results:

   Race Wood Elf(000223C8) from mod 00:Oblivion.esm   Maglir is Essential   Faction Blackwood Company(0002FF29) Hidden: 0 Evil 1 from mod 00:Oblivion.esm   Faction Bravil Faction(0002CA32) Hidden: 1 Evil 0 from mod 00:Oblivion.esm   Faction Chorrol Citizen(00028D98) Hidden: 1 Evil 0 from mod 00:Oblivion.esm   Faction Leyawiin Faction(000338EC) Hidden: 1 Evil 0 from mod 00:Oblivion.esm   Faction Skingrad Citizen(00028E77) Hidden: 1 Evil 0 from mod 00:Oblivion.esm

SameFactionAsPC is also 0.00!

So perhaps you could post an update when you get that far...

We keep this up, we're all going to sound like Modryn Oreyn though - the little fetcher

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:47 pm

I forgot how many contract missions you have to go on before getting there, but I'm working on it

I hit a huge snag though. Walked in to the BWC headquarters to find all the doors missing. Which is really not cool because this character has never been in there before and now I have to go on a bug hunt to find out why they're gone.

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:43 am

I forgot how many contract missions you have to go on before getting there, but I'm working on it

I hit a huge snag though. Walked in to the BWC headquarters to find all the doors missing. Which is really not cool because this character has never been in there before and now I have to go on a bug hunt to find out why they're gone.

It's ok, I'm only checking daily to monitor your progress

Never had doors missing in BWC, but I didn't visit until I was told to, so you're being bad and something has removed the doors as punishment... Now, can you imagine trying to debug a game like that?

I just finished Boots of Springheel Jak and I got the dialog option about the diary! I had to drop the diary first, pick it up and read it to get the journal entry, but once I got it, I was able to ask the Gray Fox about it. Very cool. It was nice getting that bit of background. The wiki does caution that you might need to drop the diary to get this update and this turned out to be true for me. That's unfortunate, but I don't think there's anything we can do... The wiki is incorrect though in saying that the conversation topic about the genealogy book is fixed with the UOP. I don't think it's a bug with the UOP - I had a look at the CS and if I'm following the quest and topics properly, it doesn't look like the topic exists. I think the wiki should be updated to remove the comment saying this is fixed by the UOP - not sure who handles that. You might want to tweak the journal entry that says you should talk to the Gray Fox about it... In reading the Genealogy, I'm not sure what you would ask the Gray Fox about anyway!

So I'll be doing the Ultimate Heist shortly!! My favourite quest. I'll be looking to make sure Ms. Beanique is asleep so I can loot the place

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:50 pm

All right, so I spent my day charging through FG quests to test out what's going on with our little fetcher.

Here's what I've got. On killing Maglir, I was expelled from the guild, although I got no quest pop-up saying as much. After Maglir was killed the Fighters' Guild was no longer listed on my faction screen, and speaking to any member of the guild after that results in the "you killed a member; go speak to Vilena Donton" speech.

Using FormID on Maglir during "More Unfinished Business" returns the following, faction-wise:

Faction: Blackwood Company - 0002FF29 - Faction is EvilFaction: Skingrad Citizen - 00028E77 - Faction is HiddenFaction: Leyawiin Faction - 000338EC - Faction is HiddenFaction: Chorrol Citizen - 00028D98 - Faction is HiddenFaction: Bravil Faction - 0002CA32 - Faction is Hidden

SameFactionAsPC returns 0.00. None of my other mods seem to be modifying him, as FormID confirms he's from Oblivion.esm, as are all the factions he's a part of.

... and now, during "The Hist," getting this info as he's charging at my character's face:

Faction: Fighters Guild - 0002228FMod: 00: Oblivion.esmFaction: Blackwood Company - 0002FF29 - Faction is EvilMod: 00: Oblivion.esm

SameFactionAsPC also returns 1.00. So, something's added him back into the Fighters' Guild faction when he obviously shouldn't be.

And FWIW, my modlist:

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I'm hanging onto a save from just before my character accepted "The Hist," so if there's any more testing that needs to be done, let me know. If I get really ambitious I may start waving Wingrep at things and see if I can find any other mods that might have their sticky paws all over Maglir. Probably won't happen tonight, though. My eyes are starting to cross.

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:24 am

Something that just came up for me.

There is a random Oblivion Gate spawn in the Gold Coast area Southeast of Brina Cross Inn and Northwest of the Garlas Agea Ayleid ruin. It recently caused the Anvil Recommendation quest to screw up on me (for readers sake, the details have been hidden because I do give away some essential facts about that quest).

Spoiler

Caminalda's spawn point for her ambush is located way too close to the location the Oblivion Gate opens. If the Oblivion Gate is opened, and you have yet to proceed to that point of the quest, there is a very high probability that the presence of the gate (and the Daedra it spawns) will draw her into battle, and likely a premature death. The quest updates correctly when she dies, but at the same time the quest has now been ruined. Why would Caminalda be dumb enough to stage here ambush right next to an inter-dimensional gateway capable of spawning an army of fearsome and deadly monsters? This does not compute at all.

Would there be a way to, say, prevent that oblivion gate from spawning until after the Anvil Recommendation quest is completed? Or perhaps move the ambush site someplace a bit safer?

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:07 pm

Oh, I figured the door thing out. C&C Blackwood Company disabled them all via script, I removed that mod eons ago and had never played it with this character. Guess that's what I get for having every character on the same mods. Too bad their uninstall info mentions nothing about this. EVERY door in the BWC hall in every level is just plain gone because of it. However, as soon as I can get that fixed I can get back to killing the remaining BWC members off.

As a side matter, I really wish it were possible to spare Maglir his coming death. He went into it all with honest intent and got screwed over by the others. The little fetcher.

EDIT: Ok. Confirmed. Stage 40 puts him BACK into the faction despite the -1 rank being used. That's what's causing the expulsion in this case. So that will need to be reverted out. Also worth noting next time it would have been a lot faster to just use the console to verify it. Cause I reloaded a previous save and force a moveto on him, then ran the command on him in the street, same result, "setfactionrank fightersguild -1" put him back in it after he was already out. Going to check a couple of things with that command, but otherwise it does seem the fix isn't really a fix, and whatever the UESP site still had listed is an invalid bug that's actually caused by a misbehaving mod somewhere.

This is obviously going to force an update sooner than I would have liked, but oh well. It won't be just this one issue at least, since I got some other fix reports in to go with it.

Would there be a way to, say, prevent that oblivion gate from spawning until after the Anvil Recommendation quest is completed? Or perhaps move the ambush site someplace a bit safer?

Not easily, no. The gate would have to be edited and given an independent script to watch for that quest and only allow it to open once it had been completed. If it's really that much of a problem then yes, I can do that.

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:55 am

Oh, I figured the door thing out. C&C Blackwood Company disabled them all via script, I removed that mod eons ago and had never played it with this character. Guess that's what I get for having every character on the same mods. Too bad their uninstall info mentions nothing about this. EVERY door in the BWC hall in every level is just plain gone because of it. However, as soon as I can get that fixed I can get back to killing the remaining BWC members off.

As a side matter, I really wish it were possible to spare Maglir his coming death. He went into it all with honest intent and got screwed over by the others. The little fetcher.

You are kidding, right? Oh, let's start a Maglir debate

Anyway I'm glad Tyraa was able to confirm what I ran into. She doesn't have Brotherhood Renewed, so we can rule that out

I guess you need to go through and add all the doors back in? Yuck...

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:44 pm

Well, if it won't be easy, I guess I can manage. The quest still updated correctly when she died, at least.

EDIT: I noticed that the gate's proximity to her ambush site was noted in UESP, too. If our rogue battlemage is being moved to the ambush site via spawn, then it might be possible to simply move that spawn farther away from the gate. Otherwise, like I said, I can manage.

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:32 pm

Something that just came up for me.

There is a random Oblivion Gate spawn in the Gold Coast area Southeast of Brina Cross Inn and Northwest of the Garlas Agea Ayleid ruin. It recently caused the Anvil Recommendation quest to screw up on me (for readers sake, the details have been hidden because I do give away some essential facts about that quest).

Spoiler

Caminalda's spawn point for her ambush is located way too close to the location the Oblivion Gate opens. If the Oblivion Gate is opened, and you have yet to proceed to that point of the quest, there is a very high probability that the presence of the gate (and the Daedra it spawns) will draw her into battle, and likely a premature death. The quest updates correctly when she dies, but at the same time the quest has now been ruined. Why would Caminalda be dumb enough to stage here ambush right next to an inter-dimensional gateway capable of spawning an army of fearsome and deadly monsters? This does not compute at all.

Would there be a way to, say, prevent that oblivion gate from spawning until after the Anvil Recommendation quest is completed? Or perhaps move the ambush site someplace a bit safer?

I always have the gate present when doing this quest as well, but have never run into a problem. In fact, I tried to murder Caminalda once and the only problem I ran into was the fact that the darned Imperial Legion soldier came to my aid and got stuck in a "I'll forgive your fine" loop. I finally gave up trying to murder her and targeted somebody else instead

Seriously though, I didn't find the gate that close. It didn't even spawn the Oblivion weather and considering I have All Natural loaded, that happens at a lower distance to the gate than normal. I'm just wondering if you ran into some bad luck with the daedra spawning and the soldier being able to take care of them...

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:53 pm

I always have the gate present when doing this quest as well, but have never run into a problem. In fact, I tried to murder Caminalda once and the only problem I ran into was the fact that the darned Imperial Legion soldier came to my aid and got stuck in a "I'll forgive your fine" loop. I finally gave up trying to murder her and targeted somebody else instead

Seriously though, I didn't find the gate that close. It didn't even spawn the Oblivion weather and considering I have All Natural loaded, that happens at a lower distance to the gate than normal. I'm just wondering if you ran into some bad luck with the daedra spawning and the soldier being able to take care of them...

I think it was a chain reaction that started with a nearby legion soldier (constantly standing next to his dead horse) who got close enough to the wandering Daedra to engage them in battle, which brought them close enough to Caminalda for her to engage them in battle, as well. Thanks to OOO and MMM, there are some pretty nasty critters spawning there now, quite too much for one unarmored altmer highway-woman. Maybe next time I'll just close the gate first, then do the quest.

» Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:54 pm

I think it was a chain reaction that started with a nearby legion soldier (constantly standing next to his dead horse) who got close enough to the wandering Daedra to engage them in battle, which brought them close enough to Caminalda for her to engage them in battle, as well. Thanks to OOO and MMM, there are some pretty nasty critters spawning there now, quite too much for one unarmored altmer highway-woman. Maybe next time I'll just close the gate first, then do the quest.

Ah, I'm not running MMM and OOO. At the very least, you might want to pass along that section and see if you can clear out the critters first...