Anything I decide not to keep from the Supplemental is getting split off into a separate included ESP. That way you can have both my new changes and them by using both or merging them.

Thus, there's nothing to argue about. I don't mind people debating about the changes, but if I see anyone taking it too personally, I'm simply going to PM a mod to lock the thread, finish it in silence and post a thread on release day (I'll recruit beta testers via PM's.)

I'm sure no one wants that... so have some understanding for an almost-old guy who's already struggling to catch up.

And magicly, the smoke cleared...

I am glad to meet and find the artists and programmers whose software i am very much enjoying to use, alive...

No reason to close this thread at this point, but who am i?

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1Z90VNOL

Here is a submission from me, fixes the knight of order sword level list being out of order (OH THE IRONY!!) and fixes some AI packs of Modryn Oreyn that caused him to walk instead of run during the Azani Blackheart quest.

As much as it never made any sense to me not having a complete armor set in vanilla. I always felt the beth folks just forgot to include the missing pieces. Having a complete heavy armor set in the starting dungeon is nowhere near a game breaking feature, as long as it's not improved in any way from its original rusty and crappy form, which feels just right for a character starting his long journey from zero to hero. Which is basically the same reason for avoiding at any cost the chance to get captain renault's amor, THIS wouldn't make any sense to me and it would be seriously game breaking.

There are two "sets" of armor in the tutorial dungeon. One of them is the rusted iron armor, the other is a rough leather armor. Neither set is especially powerful and neither set was altered in any way before the two missing parts were placed. All that happened there was that each piece was placed so they could be picked up. Definitely nothing involving Renault's armor or any of the other Blades either. Also no alterations to picking up their weapons, as Baurus will still take those from you before you leave the dungeon.

@X'tyfe: I'd suggest using a service other than Megaupload for that. That place is notorious for delivering viruses along with whatever is being downloaded. Ad-block isn't always enough to stop it, and sometimes even an antivirus program is too late to catch it before it's been delivered.

oh I was not complaining the uop was really the sole reasion why I bought the game for the pc, I was simply pointing out how pointless such a thing is to argue about when they have fixed so much in the game.

Huh really? Any recommendations then? I don't know any good ones

I use Sendspace or 4Shared.

https://www.rapidshare.com/ A bit slow for downloaders but reliable these days

Thanks. Let's hope my stay is a good one.



Or trying to at least. Forums can be a distraction. And thank you.



Maybe a hundred more, large and small, right now. It never ends.



Thank you.



Thanks. Good to be here. Well mostly.



Yes, all UOPS stuff for now. Anything new I will highlight when I start on it. I'm just collecting what to do right now.



Haha... yes, I am godlike, but not how you may imagine: I do very little, and others do much, and somehow it gets attributed to me.



It wasn't anything you did... I burned myself out well enough. You weren't pointing out anything that didn't need to be. It would be nice if you were QA'ing Skyrim though. Would save me a lot of work!



Thank you! This is what I like to see...



And this! Thanks.

OK back to work for me....

Count me in on the beta test if you need me, Kivan. I'm a bit obsessive over having a "perfect" game so believe I could be of use.

And while I'm not wanting to further the debate/argument that has started in this thread, I will say this much: I for one have been thankful that Arthmoor's taken this ungratifying and grueling challenge upon himself during the original authors' 2 year hiatus. And while he's done some things in the Supplementals that I disagree with (including some differences of opinion on the WEPON changes), frankly I think the original patches also contain their share of missteps. Nevertheless, we're all far better off with the Patches and Supplementals than without. Considering the sheer volume of work, tenacity, attention to detail, and expertise required to author this work - we ought to all be showing a lot more gratitude!

The work Kivan, Arthmoor, and the others have done here unfortunately falls into the category of "work that's only noticed if it's done incorrectly or poorly".




Shameless reply...that fix is in WEPON too *pats self on back*

Dropbox.com is good, as is Mediafire. A couple more options from what you've already been given.

I use 4Shared when I want to send stuff like this out that I don't care gets lost later. Accounts with them are free, and so far they've not tried any of the shady ads that draw in viruses.

God hates bugs!



Would save me from having to borrow money to be able to feed myself, since I'm unemployed and broke.



Sorry, but I still don't see anything that points to intent. Seems more subjective than logical :shrug:

In the ayleid ruin niryastare, there are 2 sets of stairs going down from the front door, each one causes damage about halfway down.

The intent being that they went out of their way to create the missing items, even going so far as to attach the CG script that's on the other pieces in the sets. If they did not intend to place them, then why create them and attach the script?

The problem with this line of argument is that a sizeable portion of the UOP could be invalidated using the same logic, for instance, the whole thing with the guard class. Yet that gets fixed and nobody cares. And THAT has a far reaching effect on gameplay over the lifetime of the save.

Seems pretty clear to me.

Why is there even any Argument on this at all ??, Arthmoor was in total command of the Patch at the time, so whatever was done is Done, now Kivan has control, if He feels something don't belong So be it. :ahhh:

Here's a question for you guys, there are a few hanging swords (not including Captain Renault's, Glenroy's, Baurus', and Jauffre's) in cloud ruler temple that are set as disabled, are these enabled through a special way or is this some sort of oversight?

It seems to me the problem is visibility. Yeah, changing the guards major skills will change the game drastically more than placing one nigh-useless newbie armor piece in the tutorial dungeon, but most players will never actually see the guard's new skill value (or ever saw the old one for that matter) or consciously notice that the guards are significantly harder to kill now, but odds are good they'll pick up that worthless piece of crap armor.

Yeah it's annoying and illogical, but that's human nature for you.

They're supposed to get enabled if you recover their swords in the tutorial dungeon. Any weapon Baurus takes from you should end up hanging there at some point.

If that's not happening, then it would be a valid thing to fix - and chances are *IS* something alt-start mods entirely overlook.

Read my post again I was not talking about the ones from the tutorial

Would also like to report that changes to the AI pack order of Silana Blandia and Kantav Cheynoslin are overwritten by KOTN and need to be added to the UOMP

You misunderstood - the weapons you're talking about at CRT don't get enabled unless you recover them while in the tutorial dungeon and Baurus takes them from you. Something which I'd wager every alt-start mod has overlooked, including mine.

The AI pack ordering is solvable through Bash. Yes, I know, apparently it's evil to suggest people USE the tools that get made, but hey, that would fix it

Arthmoor, I think he was trying to say that there are other disabled swords that should be hanging in Cloud Ruler temple *besides* the ones from the tutorial dungeon.

Possible, but I don't think there are any others besides those. Something to check while I'm updating my alt-start mod I guess

Baurus - His sword is placed if you recover his weapon and return it to Jauffre. Which obviously means Jauffre needs to survive.
Jauffre's sword enables automatically if he's killed. No need to recover the weapon.

Renault's and Glenroy's are active by default, so I guess you don't need to recover them for Baurus. But he will still take them if you have them at that point.

And yes, it seems there are also 3 other ones which are marked disabled but never referenced in scripts anywhere so they don't get activated. There's a lot more than 3 Blades left to be killed though, so who they should have belonged to is impossible to tell.

Yes, those are the ones i was talking about.