Absolutely, I would. Though Skyrim is a Steam game it has a physical disc for the bookshelf (I have it on disc). Back to the collection that effects me for example, NBA2K9, the first PC 2k sports game ever, is also Steam exclusive (therefore you will see this game on my Steam list of owned games), but it came in a physical package and is there with the other 2K games I have. (my boxed 2K games: 2k7-PS2, 2k8-PS2, 2k9-PC "steam'd', 2k10-PC, 2k11-PC, 2k12-PC, 2k13-PC, 2k14-PC)

Not rants actually Jusey, but ordinary posts from multiple posters, myself included, across this series of threads, making it abundantly clear that our collections of stand-alone copies of TES stops at Oblivion. That our playing of TES stops with Oblivion.

Jenifur Charne

Along with TES, my collections for Fallout & Id Software titles have ended as well, games I would have bought had Steam been one option & not the only one (for the PC user)

Exactly my point... Why do you think people are upset so much about this?

My NBA 2K collection is complete despite 2k9's dependence on Steam. The box is there, all pretty and filling in between 2k8 and 2k10.

I have been mad since 2009 about not being able to collect physical boxed versions of the PC versions of video games that go for sale at brick and mortar retailer stores world wide. It started with the PC version of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 in 2009. I purchased the physical boxed version of the PC version of Call of Duty in 2003, the physical boxed version of the PC version of Call of Duty's expansion pack United Offensive in 2004, the physical boxed version of the PC version of Call of Duty 2 in 2005, the physical boxed version of the PC version of Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare in 2007, and the physical boxed version of the PC version of Call of Duty: World at War in 2008. They are not 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free because they use CD Keys but they have no Steam, Steam Works tied to them.

In 2004 I purchased the physical boxed version of Half-Life 2 it came with Steam I was like this is cool. Then in 2006 I purchased the physical boxed version of Red Orchestra Osfront 41-45 it came with Steam I was like ok. Then 2009 I started getting so mad. 2011 is where purchasing physical boxed version of the PC versions of video games ended for me and January 01, 2013 is where I stopped purchasing video games from Steam.

My physical boxed collection of PC versions of video games stopped growing since 2011 and I am sad.

Thankfully there is CD Projekt RED with Cyberpunk 2077, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, inXile Entertainment with Wasteland 2, and a few kickstarter PC versions of video games that I will be able to purchase 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free physical boxed versions of the PC version of video games that will go on sale to brick and mortar retailer stores world wide in the future.

So I just got word that Deep Silver will be planning to release the physical boxed version of the PC version of Risen 3 sold to brick and mortar retailer stores world wide 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free.

So if Risen 3 gets released for sale in 2014 that will mean that there will be like 3 physical boxed versions of the PC versions of video games from 2 AAA video game publishing companies and 1 indie video game development company to be released for sale in 2014 for PC the physical boxed version 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free to brick and mortar retailer stores world wide.

Here's the list.

#1. The PC version of the physical boxed version of The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt will be sold 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free to brick and mortar retailer stores world wide. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt is developed by CD Projekt RED and distributed by Namco Bandai Games or as they renamed to Bandai Namco or something like that in some countries in Asia and Europe and Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment in North America and possibly South America.

#2. The physical boxed version of Wasteland 2 will be sold 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free to brick and mortar retailer stores world wide. Wasteland 2 is developed by inXile Entertainment and will be distributed by Deep Silver.

#3. The physical boxed version of the PC version of Risen 2 will be released 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free to brick and mortar retailer stores world wide. Risen 2 is developed by Pirhana Bytes and published by Deep Silver.

So these 3 PC versions of video games I will happily purchase the physical boxed versions of these PC versions of video games the day they get released for sale to brick and mortar retailer stores world wide. It's time for Bethesda Softworks and ZeniMax Media Inc. to join CD Projekt RED and Deep Silver in selling the PC versions of the video games that they publish 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free on gog.com and 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free physical boxed versions of the PC versions of the video games that they publish to brick and mortar retailer stores world wide.

2014 looks like 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free PC versions of video games will be growing and continuing to keep on selling.

Sure if I can still get a steamworks version.

I think GOG will have to make the case to Bethesda. And I hope they do. I personally would like bethesda to exclusively release their games on Steamworks for the first 6 months than release it on GOG with the engine (allowing for better mods). In other words, baby-steps or as a businessmen would see it.. Smart.. To further develop that thought, saturating the product in one market can be resaturated by just changing it a bit and releasing it somewhere else (removing DRM).. As in, double sales.. Also, flat out deny any thought that each game will be released on GOG (sooner or later) to allow for the "double sales" scheme.

or if Beth would allow the games to be sold on GOG when they (Bethesda) are finished with them (Patching, DLC) typically when the games are about a year old

with that, if there is a need for additional unforeseen patching (like accommodating a new OS) there is a chance the game can still get the love it may need in years to come.

As the Dire Straights song says, "I want my, I want my, I want my DRM." Oh, wait, that was MTV. Don't worry, I don't foresee 'DRM free' ever reaching the point where those who want DRM won't be able to get it.

that would be twisted, a world where people would have to torrent to get the DRM'ed version of a game

I would love to see All the Bethesda titles released before STEAM, be re-released on GOG.
Including all the DLC for each game.

So you STILL believe that gamers who refuse to be assimilated by the Borg STEAM Collective, deserve to be punished for their active disobedience in not meekly accepting being STEAMed?
Delaying the STEAM free PC soft copy releases of new games would only serve to hurt sales.
And that idea STILL fails in one critical area. STEAM free physical PC releases of games.

A lot of us in this thread are simply asking for one thing:
To have the opportunity to be able to buy STEAM free physical PC releases of Bethesda's new and recent games.

Allied to that is our hopes for DLC and patches:
Make the all the purchasable DLC available for purchase without STEAM.
Make all the non-STEAM patches available for download again.
Make all the STEAM patches STEAM-free and available for download.

Jenifur Charne

Morrowind GotY on GoG would be nice. Even Elder Scrolls Adventures would be cool, though I don't think any retailer or digital store has that.

And why would you want Steamworks? I can understand wanting available to purchase through Steam, but why would you want it tied to the Steam client and require an online authentication?

I like all the features Steam has to offer and the very few instances I have had no internet, Steam offline still works.

he doesn't want a DRMd version, he wants a convenient steam version

He said, quote, that he wanted Steamworks. Steamworks is DRM. I can understand wanting to be able to buy through Steam if they are your retailer of choice, but actually wanting DRM is new in my experience.

I've seen people request Steamworks before, I don't like it because it's basically saying "I want DRM & I want YOU to use it too."

My discussion is not on Physical PC release. I don't have any care for it because it doesn't effect me whatsoever. I believe its dying and thats that.. Don't want to fallout out over that last statement. But the message was of a business perspective. As in, make your argument sound appealing to business people and they will happily do it. Make it sound like a revolution, and nothing will get done. My thought goes like this, make them atleast GET on GOG before demanding them a release equal to that of GOG. I will also repeat that I am not discussing physical PC sales and somebody else can give a thought to possibly make it better. As I see it, Physical =/= Digital in profit and its hard to fight a case for a dying market. The only possible way for a physical boxed versions to go on the rise again would be through purchasing it and it being sent to your home. Oh and those big box stores probably won't hold most games anyway. Probably only really popular games like starcraft II where sales is possible. So that leaves you with gamestop which will crash and burn.. Give it 7 years and they will be gone (sounds like a good time for the next console). Compare amazon prices to gamestop prices, then the writing on the wall is truly visible. Perhaps not enough sympathy? Too much business perspective?

The following message isn't apart of my response to you:

Wanting something on Steam isn't unreasonable. Its like looking at people being so alien when they say they want a game on 360 or ps3. Steam is a workplace, GOG is a store. I think thats the main difference. People think Steam is just a store who shackles you to the register upon purchase. But there is a community, there is a workshop (which i find pretty good except nexus is better), there is a store (WITH simple interface - as in reminders). GOG is a store. Thats it, it doesn't try to be anything else. So I suppose if you want to speak with friends you would use skype or some other third party program. All these assets just outweigh the DRM for many people

Not wanting something on Steam isn't unreasonable either

GOG does have a community as well, it's just not the same type IMHO as Steam's

true it's not as mod-centric, but it doesn't need to be

Physical boxed versions of video games especially physical boxed versions of PC versions of video games is not a dying market. Stop saying it is.

It's not a big market as physical boxed versions of console video games selling for the consoles but physical boxed versions of the PC versions of video games and 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free is starting to rise up a lot.

CD Projekt RED proved the video game industry you can earn money selling 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free physical boxed versions of the PC versions of video games.

inXile Entertainment also believes this it's why after they successfully got Wasteland 2 funded on kickstarter.com they got Deep Silver to distribute a physical boxed version of Wasteland 2 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free to sell to brick and mortar retailer stores world wide.

Deep Silver just joined gog.com in 2014 and is going to be releasing all of the PC versions of the video games that they publish for sale on gog.com 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free.

Deep Silver is planning on releasing a physical boxed version of the PC version of Risen 3 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free to brick and mortar retailer stores world wide that is if Risen 3 gets released in 2014 and not in 2015.

Deep Silver is also considering to do this with all of the PC versions of the video games that they publish and the video game development companies that they own that develop the PC versions of the video games in the future from now on.

SEGA for all of 2013 sold more physical boxed versions of the PC versions of the video games that they publish combined than they did on the PlayStation 3 (PS3), Xbox 360, Wii, Wii U and whatever other systems that SEGA publishes video games on.

Physical boxed versions of the PC versions of video games selling is on the rise again like in the 1990's and early 2000's. Stop denying this. Physical boxed versions of PC versions of video games selling will be existing side by side next to gog.com and Steam. Physical boxed versions of PC versions of video games will not go away 10 years from now and will continue to sell 10 years from now.

I am permanently done purchasing video games published by ZeniMax Media Inc. and Bethesda Softworks until they both finally sell 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free physical boxed versions of the PC versions of the video games that they publish to brick and mortar retailer stores world wide and on gog.com. I hate them so much for selling their PC versions of video games exclusively on Steam only or having Steam as a requirement on the physical boxed versions of the PC versions of the video games that they publish and sell. I will fight until both ZeniMax media Inc. and Bethesda Softworks finally makes most of our PC gamers dreams come true.

Because CD Projekt RED is selling 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free physical boxed version of the PC version of The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt I will be purchasing at least 2 copies the day it gets released for sale then in 2015 I will be purchasing 2 physical boxed version of the PC version of Cyberpunk 2077 the day it gets released for sale.

I will be purchasing 10 physical boxed version of Wasteland 2 the day it gets released for sale and I will be purchasing 1 physical boxed version of the PC version of Risen 3 as well because both Deep Silver and inXile Entertainment care for PC gamers who want to purchase 100% Digital Rights Management (DR) free physical boxed versions of PC versions of video games.

Iuess Xbox is also just DRM then since that is required to play Xbox games but also offers more features.

I didn't say steamworks does not contain DRM but i blatantly said that he obviously wants the convenient features it offers.

And i do not want to get back into this thread because it goes nowhere and creates negativity between people.

imo this thread should be locked, it's bad for the forum community.

the exclusionary actions of Bethesda created the divide that you're talking about

And the reason for the "Unofficial Steam/DRM" series of threads was to contain the discussion, before them many "Steam/DRM" were popping up all over the forums

before the Steamworks PC exclusivity IIRC there wasn't a need for these, so there shouldn't be a need if Bethesda stops requiring Steam usage

I would rather the subject banned altogether.

IMHO that would create even more problems for bethesda

I'd rather we didn't need the discussion