Unofficial "Will My PC Run Skyrim" Discussion : V - Skyrim

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:31 pm

is nvidia card better or radeon ???

I plan on spending 800 to 900$ on a new PC which is not a Laptop

I will let someone build it for me though cause it will be more powerful but I'm freaking out about VGA cards cause I have no idea which one is the best for gaming

ALSO overheating ruined my laptop card, I don't that to happen again with my desktop so which is better Nvidia or radeon tell ME

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:35 am

http://www.trigonit.com/Portals/42222/images/IT-Support-Old-Computer.jpg :whistling:

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:15 am

I have a problem trying to find my graphics card on any lists. It's a laptop, Dell Inspiron with an onboard graphics card. The device manager says my display adapter is a Mobile Intel Series 4 Series Express Chipset Family. How does this compare to other, better known, graphics cards. I would love to run skyrim but don't think it could handle it.

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:17 am

I have to disagree. Building one is extremely easy. Sure you should read up on it and make sure to take the proper precautions, but building a PC is better in the long run.

I guess it is true that it is cheap and easy, but you should always look it up in-case you are unsure.

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:48 am

is nvidia card better or radeon ???

I plan on spending 800 to 900$ on a new PC which is not a Laptop

I will let someone build it for me though cause it will be more powerful but I'm freaking out about VGA cards cause I have no idea which one is the best for gaming

ALSO overheating ruined my laptop card, I don't that to happen again with my desktop so which is better Nvidia or radeon tell ME

A couple of points:
- Nvidia has PhysX. For the games that support GPU accelerated PhysX this may interest you

- ATI has better Anti-Aliasing options. Super-sampling AA cleans up aliasing a lot more thoroughly than Multi-sampling. The main difference is supersampling cleans the whole image, multisampling only smooths out the edges

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:09 am

is nvidia card better or radeon ???

I plan on spending 800 to 900$ on a new PC which is not a Laptop

I will let someone build it for me though cause it will be more powerful but I'm freaking out about VGA cards cause I have no idea which one is the best for gaming

ALSO overheating ruined my laptop card, I don't that to happen again with my desktop so which is better Nvidia or radeon tell ME

Both AMD and Nvidia have their benefits and cons. You should buy the best performing the card for your money...it's not about brands really. There are cards on both fronts that perform rather similarly and are power efficient:

Radeon 6870 ~ GTX 560
Radeon 6950 ~ GTX 560 Ti
Radeon 6970 ~ GTX 570

so on and so on. They'll trade blows depending on games, one can be better or worse than the other. Do the research. Look at benchmarks like this one and make comparisons:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/293?vs=330

Change the cards for a different comparison. Choose a card that fulfills your game interests.

$800-$900 will likely put you in the Radeon 6870/GTX 560 or maybe the 6950/560Ti area.

I have a problem trying to find my graphics card on any lists. It's a laptop, Dell Inspiron with an onboard graphics card. The device manager says my display adapter is a Mobile Intel Series 4 Series Express Chipset Family. How does this compare to other, better known, graphics cards. I would love to run skyrim but don't think it could handle it.

Intel Integrated Chipset is the video chip and a rather terrible one. Can't say it'll be worth it as there's a high chance the game won't even run on it.

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:23 am

Both AMD and Nvidia have their benefits and cons. You should buy the best performing the card for your money...it's not about brands really. There are cards on both fronts that perform rather similarly and are power efficient:

Radeon 6870 ~ GTX 560
Radeon 6950 ~ GTX 560 Ti
Radeon 6970 ~ GTX 570

so on and so on. They'll trade blows depending on games, one can be better or worse than the other. Do the research. Look at benchmarks like this one and make comparisons:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/293?vs=330

Change the cards for a different comparison. Choose a card that fulfills your game interests.

$800-$900 will likely put you in the Radeon 6870/GTX 560 or maybe the 6950/560Ti area.

Intel Integrated Chipset is the video chip and a rather terrible one. Can't say it'll be worth it as there's a high chance the game won't even run on it.

Thanks, I figured it probably wouldn't. It will run Morrowind just fine til I try to push it out with the MGE. And Oblivion runs but only barely. Thanks for the input. That's why I'm getting Skyrim on 360.

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:02 am

Both AMD and Nvidia have their benefits and cons. You should buy the best performing the card for your money...it's not about brands really. There are cards on both fronts that perform rather similarly and are power efficient:

Radeon 6870 ~ GTX 560
Radeon 6950 ~ GTX 560 Ti
Radeon 6970 ~ GTX 570

so on and so on. They'll trade blows depending on games, one can be better or worse than the other. Do the research. Look at benchmarks like this one and make comparisons:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/293?vs=330

Change the cards for a different comparison. Choose a card that fulfills your game interests.

$800-$900 will likely put you in the Radeon 6870/GTX 560 or maybe the 6950/560Ti area.

those are the latest cards right??

I plan on getting a 22inch screen as well I hope they are not too expensive

btw my old laptop is the HP HDX its a pretty powerfull machine but after 3 years of heavy use its starting to age

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:20 am

Those are pretty old by now (three years), and weren't high end for the professional work station market when they were new. I think that means it was roughly anologous to the normal Radeon HD 4670, except with drivers not so well suited to playing games.

It will also have specifications slewed toward building graphic images, rather than viewing them, so probably not even quite as efficient for gaming use as that HD 4670 still is. Medium settings wpould be the best you could hope for, and that would only be if the CPU was relatively decent.

Damn, I had a feeling that would be the case. I wanted to get a business class machine with possible stats good enough to play the upcoming games. My HD4850 seems to work OK for most current games, although maybe sometimes not at max settings. (My Studio XPS can be unstable. Also, I don't really put together my own machines any more, because of such little weird quirks and mysterious incompatibilities. Not that you mentioned that, but it's just in case someone suggests it.)

The V5800 has a chip similar to what's found in the Radeon 5770, so it could get you high settings. However, this card is meant for workstation applications and the drivers are geared towards such....not so much gaming. May have driver difficulties in running the game.

The V5700 fairs lower with a chip found in the Radeon 4670 (as mentioned by Gorath). Medium settings card...again, presuming drivers play nice that will allow you to run the game well.

Yeah, that's unfortunate as I'd like to have performance and the things that the FirePro offers. I often deal with hi-res gfx files, etc., and my friend's FirePro has never caused a BSOD, whereas my HD4850 has upon occasion done so. It's rare, but it ticks me off losing some work when my desktop crashes. Have you guys had any experience with which 3rd party video card companies work well and are stable? I remember a friend convinced me to buy a PNY GeForce something or other a long time ago, and that thing was the biggest piece of crap.

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:21 am

If you don't know how to build a computer, don't try it. Just get a pre-built one.

When do you learn though? First time I built mine I googled what parts were good, purchased the ones in my budget, and built it.. it's not difficult, at all. It's like legos but with less pieces. Also severely more expensive pieces that I don't touch if my hands are sweating lol..

Yeah i think this is the best way to go thanks guys.

No problem. Research before hand. Have a strategy before you get your components and make sure they all match up nicely

. For example make sure your case can fit your video card/etc. I promise you'll have a blast and love your sweet sweet baby after you build it

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:16 am

wow there are some tech geeks around so I better ask this cause I'm stupid when it comes to PC

if I give you 800$

what kind of desktop would you build that is great for gaming???

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:26 am

Both AMD and Nvidia have their benefits and cons. You should buy the best performing the card for your money...it's not about brands really. There are cards on both fronts that perform rather similarly and are power efficient:

Radeon 6870 ~ GTX 560
Radeon 6950 ~ GTX 560 Ti
Radeon 6970 ~ GTX 570

so on and so on. They'll trade blows depending on games, one can be better or worse than the other. Do the research. Look at benchmarks like this one and make comparisons:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/293?vs=330

Change the cards for a different comparison. Choose a card that fulfills your game interests.

$800-$900 will likely put you in the Radeon 6870/GTX 560 or maybe the 6950/560Ti area.

Intel Integrated Chipset is the video chip and a rather terrible one. Can't say it'll be worth it as there's a high chance the game won't even run on it.

btw

whats phsx and that other thing that Radeon does better ??!! silly question

AND I'm planing on getting an i7 mother board off course but what kinda CPU should I get and will I need a special cooling system cause I tend to run my computer for more than 10 hours straight??

:spotted owl:

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:56 am

If you don't know how to build a computer, don't try it. Just get a pre-built one.

dumb, how else are you supposed to learn how?

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:24 am

btw

whats phsx and that other thing that Radeon does better ??!! silly question

AND I'm planing on getting an i7 mother board off course but what kinda CPU should I get and will I need a special cooling system cause I tend to run my computer for more than 10 hours straight??

:spotted owl:

PhysX is Nvidea's proprietary physics engine that is used in some games. It basically does physics calculations with the GPU using their CUDA architecture. ~~Not entirely sure what the benefits of it are though.~~ It offloads physics calculations from the CPU.
Anti Aliasing is something that smooths the jagged edges off things in games.
Can't really help with your other questions much but I doubt you would need any sort of special cooling system unless you plan to overclock or have multi card setups or both.

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:50 am

PhysX is Nvidea's proprietary physics engine that is used in some games. It basically does physics calculations with the GPU using their CUDA architecture. ~~Not entirely sure what the benefits of it are though.~~ It offloads physics calculations from the CPU.
Anti Aliasing is something that smooths the jagged edges off things in games.
Can't really help with your other questions much but I doubt you would need any sort of special cooling system unless you plan to overclock or have multi card setups or both.

hmmm so basically Nvidia card takes some work load off the CPU while Radeon just makes stuff look a little smoother

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:42 am

hmmm so basically Nvidia card takes some work load off the CPU while Radeon just makes stuff look a little smoother

Yeah but keep in mind only some games support physx and it does take a toll on performace as well. So does Supersampling though.
Personally I don't feel either alone justifies purchasing a certain brand, your best bet is to find the best performance for your money rather than worrying over certain features like those.

Take a look here http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-performance-radeon-geforce,2997.html
Find your price range and you can get a general idea of what cards you should be looking at, then you can look at some benchmarks and compare the prices and decide which one best suits you.

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:07 am

If you don't know how to build a computer, don't try it. Just get a pre-built one.

Really? Why? I kind of wanted to spend a few hours on the computer which I spend half my money on. It would be rewarding.

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:12 am

Really? Why? I kind of wanted to spend a few hours on the computer which I spend half my money on. It would be rewarding.

Building a computer is a rewarding experience and generally quite easy. It helps if you have another computer with you to look up any questions or if you get stuck on anything. Barring that, ask a friend to come over who's good at making computers.

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:17 am

Will Skyrim be Direct X11 and 7.1 surround capable?

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:42 am

Yeah but keep in mind only some games support physx and it does take a toll on performace as well. So does Supersampling though.
Personally I don't feel either alone justifies purchasing a certain brand, your best bet is to find the best performance for your money rather than worrying over certain features like those.

Take a look here http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-performance-radeon-geforce,2997.html
Find your price range and you can get a general idea of what cards you should be looking at, then you can look at some benchmarks and compare the prices and decide which one best suits you.

yah indeed

the GTX 580 looks pretty good though

but the Radeon 6970 or GTX 570 also are cool

we shall see

btw found this PC seems amazing although its 300$ over budget but if I found it here I might just get it

http://computers.toptenreviews.com/gaming/cyberpower/cyperpower-pc-black-pearl-review.html

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:52 am

Will Skyrim be Direct X11 and 7.1 surround capable?

It is dx11 capable and using dx11 optimizations but no new features like tessellation unfortunately. Not sure about 7.1 surround.

yah indeed

the GTX 580 looks pretty good though

but the Radeon 6970 or GTX 570 also are cool

we shall see

btw found this PC seems amazing although its 300$ over budget but if I found it here I might just get it

http://computers.top...arl-review.html

All those cards are top notch. That PC is major overkill though lol

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:17 am

I have a problem trying to find my graphics card on any lists. It's a laptop, Dell Inspiron with an onboard graphics card. The device manager says my display adapter is a Mobile Intel Series 4 Series Express Chipset Family. How does this compare to other, better known, graphics cards. I would love to run skyrim but don't think it could handle it.

You don't HAVE any "Graphics Card", not at all. A real graphics card has its own individual separate circuit board, and is produced separately, plugging in later to the motherboard's video graphics bus system. Intel makes no such, and has only tried once, about 13 years ago. It was a dismal, disastrous failure then, as all of their video almost always is.

When purchasing a computer, be it a proper desktop, or a convenient disposable you can carry with you, you must decide what you will use it for and purchase the appropriately equipped machine. You chose not to shop for game capability, and need a different machine to play games of this nature.

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:23 am

It is dx11 capable and using dx11optimizations but no new features like tessellation unfortunately. Not sure about 7.1 surround.

Cool. Do you think there will be settings for audio? Like if you want it to be set up for surround, headphones, stereo, ect?

» Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:08 am

You don't HAVE any "Graphics Card", not at all. A real graphics card has its own individual separate circuit board, and is produced separately, plugging in later to the motherboard's video graphics bus system. Intel makes no such, and has only tried once, about 13 years ago. It was a dismal, disastrous failure then, as all of their video almost always is.

When purchasing a computer, be it a proper desktop, or a convenient disposable you can carry with you, you must decide what you will use it for and purchase the appropriately equipped machine. You chose not to shop for game capability, and need a different machine to play games of this nature.

It wasn't purchased for gaming. It was a laptop I bought for my wife so she could get on the internet.

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:36 pm

What would be the best pc to buy for skyrim in a 1 to one and a half grand price range appreciate any ideas? :brokencomputer:

Suggested a similar build to Ogramirad a little while back:

CASE: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146068....$15 off w/ promo code EMCKAKJ43, ends 9/7
MOBO+CPU Combo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.660726
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428
HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185 ...$10 off w/ promo code EMCKBGK32, ends 9/5
PSU+RAM Combo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.730556 ....$10 off w/ promo code EMCKBGK43, ends 9/5
GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130731
DVD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204
OS: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

That alone is less than $1300.

Less than $1500 with these Optionals:

SSD Boot Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148441
CPU HS for overclocking: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

No keyboard, mouse, speakers, or monitor included here. If you need them, you gotta say so...they eat into the budget though so sacrifices will be made.

AMD's Bulldozer CPUs should be out this month too though. May want to wait how those chips compare to Intel's lineup when benchmarks are released. A matter of changing only the CPU and motherboard if you decide to go with one over the other. Can buy everything else if you wish

wow there are some tech geeks around so I better ask this cause I'm stupid when it comes to PC

if I give you 800$

what kind of desktop would you build that is great for gaming???

Can go with something like this:

CASE: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233&Tpk=haf%20912
CPU+MOBO Combo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.729080
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231311 ...$5 of code til 9/7: EMCKAKJ22
HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185 ...$5 off code til 9/5: EMCKBGK32
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371030
GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102948 ...or the http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=+40000048&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&IsNodeId=1&Subcategory=-1&description=radeon+6950&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&AdvancedSearch=1&srchInDesc= if you can afford
DVD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204
OS: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

If you already have the Windows OS disc, then get rid of it and up the card to a Radeon 6950 if you wish. No keyboard, mouse, speakers, or monitor included here. If you need them, you gotta say so...they eat into the budget though so big sacrifices could be made.

AMD's Bulldozer should be out this month too though. May want to wait how those chips compare to Intel's lineup when benchmarks are released. A matter of changing only the CPU and motherboard if you decide to go with one over the other. Can buy everything else if you wish