[CYCO JO-NATE]

This is what i understand about the Forsaken. The kingdom of Lordareon (spelling i know lol) was a human kingdom allied with Stormwind, but when Acherus (and before that Naxx) attacked, they turned every human except for the luckiest survivors into Undead. From a Lore stand-point, it is quite likely that the Forsaken could be High Elven, or Blood Elves, but the Undead we see tend to reflect Humans since they suffered far more significant losses. For example, BE capital got a scar... UC is the skeleton of a once beautiful castle and city.

And for a fun fact, if you play horde, go to the throne room above the UC bank, and turn down music while upping ambient noises... I guarantee you will be disturbed, if not intrigued. It takes a while so be patient.

Just a quick note:
Night Elves main enemy were always the Burning Legion, the Orcs only became their enemy when they started chopping down their trees, oh and when they murdered their friggin god.
Dwarves and Gnomes kinda disliked Trolls, simply because their tribes pushed into their kingdoms, and also they made babies with something or other and spawned TROGGS!!!
Humans hate orcs and trolls for halting their advancement as a race and nation.
Dranei hate the Belves (well more like distrust) because of the whole Outland incident, which coincidentally applies to Orcs butchering the space-goats mercifully. And yet now they can slay gods, aspects, and other monsters stronger than your average orc scout...

thought i could try and make sense of what few things i got from lore discussions. oh, the blood elves get the sunwell back = not good for ANYONE. Just saying, the belf ties to the horde were for protection and vengeance at least. with the power of the well on their side... who knows.

Kingdom of Lordareon wasn't attacked by Archerus and Naxxaramus before the Scourge. The plague was spreading extremely fast killing and turning the citizens into Scourge as well as Arthas tearing through the kingdom to get the jar his fathers ashes were in to put kel'thuzad in while the scourge was becoming an actual Army.
Night Elves brought the Burning Legion to them using magic and then blew the world up and yea Grom did kill Cenarius.
Humans helped the Quel'dorei(High Elves) fight the trolls before they become the Sin'dorei(Blood elves) and then the humans were taught magic by them. Also I don't think the trolls made life for the Kingdom or Arathor easier.

Also "Mercifully" isn't really the word to use for the Old Horde killing the Draenei since...the path of glory in Hellfire peninsula is paved with Draenei bones

[Melanie]

The pre-Cata event has started! Elementals are beginning to invade Orgrimmar, Stormwind and various places throughout Azeroth. There's a Feat of Strength to kill all the different types of elementals but I can't be bothered. It's only the first phase though, so things will gradually hot up until the final cataclysm. I re-subbed to make sure I didn't miss out on it

Damn, as soon as my uni exams are over its back to Azeroth I go

And on another note, I just downloaded about 5gig of patches to take me from 3.03 to 4.01 or something of the like. Now the Wow Launcher (with a snazzy new Cataclysm theme) wants me to download a further 9.7gig of stuff. :mellow: Has everyone else had to do this? I ask because considering the limits of Australian Internet 9gig is a huge portion of my allowance to use.

[sexy zara]

Ha, i think i meant mercilessly but it was late, and the mix-up is evidence lol.

Anyways thanks for the lore supplement guys

[rheanna bruining]

How long were you away, and how far did you get back then?

They did the first Cata pre-patch a few weeks ago, so the classes are already different and a lot of things are buggy as hell. The next patch is due by the end of the month, and the lead-in events have started. From what I've seen and heard, the usual endgame content is kinda on hold because most people are so sick of it, but there are a lot of others who are scrambling to get in one last ICC run or get stuff that'll be gone next month, like the ZG mount.

I was away for years. I left before WotLK came out.

[Amiee Kent]

Okay, I finally got my discs back. I shall enter the World once more. But as I haven't played in a while, Im playing as a noob, and know nothing at all. Okay, well I know some stuff, but not nearly enough.

Any advice/tips for a returning user? I'll post my character and info. later when it's done being installed.

Edit: I also have a question. If I register WoW I automatically get a month free. If I register Burning Crusade straight afterwards, do I get another month free, or does it still count as one month free?

If I register WoW one month, and register BC the next month, will I get two months free that way?

You don't need any advice. If you played years ago you'll find the game much easier to level in and solo. I know several people who hadn't played the game before this year and they rocketed to level 80. If you come from pre-BC WoW you'll find the new WoW a cakewalk. The only thing you might find irritating is the extreme focus on other people's gear, talents and stats. You're constantly scrutinized, questioned and judged now that everyone can easily access your character information.

[Jennifer Munroe]

You don't need any advice. If you played years ago you'll find the game much easier to level in and solo. I know several people who hadn't played the game before this year and they rocketed to level 80. If you come from pre-BC WoW you'll find the new WoW a cakewalk. The only thing you might find irritating is the extreme focus on other people's gear, talents and stats. You're constantly scrutinized, questioned and judged now that everyone can easily access your character information.

Okay, thanks. I was there before BC, but I got that too later on.

Edit: Anyone here on a European server? If so, I'll join that one.

[Darren]

Son of a diddly.

Today I bought WOTLK to play after my uni exams are over. Installation took a VERY long time (easily 2 hours at least) but at 98%, after putting in the 2nd disk, the installation stopped and I got a message telling me "The file "D:\enGB\WOW_Intro_LK_800.avi" could not be opened. If this problem persists, please contact Blizzard Technical Support. (InstallerFile::Open)".

I tried installing again in Safe Mode with the same error. My DVD player is able to read/burn Dual-Layer DVDs and has never had any trouble before with any other game.

I've sent a message to Blizzard Support asking for their help, but as it seems a lot of people have had issues installing WOTLK, I thought I'd ask here in case anyone has had/fixed the same problem. As I'm on limited Australian internet, I'd rather not have to actually download the game files, as doing so will burst my internet allowance for the month.

[CSar L]

Try registering wotlk on battle.net and downloading the client from there.

[kasia]

Try registering wotlk on battle.net and downloading the client from there.

Australian internet. :shakehead:

It seems odd that the installation takes 2 hours to get to 98%.

[Rudy Paint fingers]

Try registering wotlk on battle.net and downloading the client from there.

Like I said, I'd rather not have to do that.

All I can see if the "Download Game Client", a 40mb installation that then wants me to download 12gb of files. I'm unsure if this is will only download the WOTLK files or if it will try to install the whole game all over again. Downloading 12gb will burst my limit and then some.

[Rob Smith]

You think 2 hours is long?

I installed and patched the game from scratch. It took no less that 2 days.

Edit:

Alright, Im facing a very irritating problem. First of all, it won't let me update to patch 4.01 for whatever reason, most likely because I don't have WotLK, but I don't care about that.

My problem is, it won't even let me play! At 3.3.5 it supposed to allow me to play, so that's alright. But when I select my realm it tries to enter. It even says "Connected" but after some waiting it says "Disconnected from the Server". It won't even let me get to the character creation screen!

Can anyone offer any advice? I tried contacted Blizzard itself, but it won't let me submit a webform either.. :facepalm:

Edit 2: Upon further research, I found out that it is due to there being "outdated add-ons" on my system. But I have none. Or if my internet security program isn't allowing it, but I don't even have one of those.

Edit 3: Nevermind. I found out what the problem was. It was firewall issues. I feel like a bit of an ass for writing all this now, but it would be dishonorable to simply erase it like it never happened.

[Far'ed K.G.h.m]

YES!!! FINALLY KILLED ARTHAS BEFORE CATA ON MY SHAMAN. I wanted King Slayer title so bad before cataclysm since I was away for the start of ICC patch.

[Josh Trembly]

Bleh, well, managed to get WOTLK to install after completely uninstalling and reinstalling the game from the disk. Spent 2 days downloading a 4.7gb patch and am about 1/3 of the way through a 9gb patch

[Zosia Cetnar]

Here are the complete T11 armor sets:

http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/november/tier11_male_m.jpg

http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/november/tier11_female_m.jpg

What I want to know is why are the priests wearing toilets on their shoulders? Why??

[P PoLlo]

Gah. I feel so lost as a ret pally now. Different talents, holy power and such. :ahhh:

[Juan Suarez]

The elemental invasions are getting old now. Most people can't even be bothered to defend the cities from the sheer tedium of it. If the rumours are true the Shattering should happen sometime next week so it'll all be over soon.

[Damned_Queen]

Gah. I feel so lost as a ret pally now. Different talents, holy power and such. :ahhh:

You're not alone. First time I re-loaded my old Blood Elf Pally I was completely lost. Playing now is so different to what it was before, now I feel as though I'm relying too much on Avenging Wrath+ Hammer of Justice and Art of War+Exorcism to do any serious damage. :unsure:

Also, beforehand ret pallys could basically have unlimited mana thanks to judgements and seals, but now I'm scoffing down Seal Whey all the time.

[Jake Easom]

The elemental invasions are getting old now. Most people can't even be bothered to defend the cities from the sheer tedium of it. If the rumours are true the Shattering should happen sometime next week so it'll all be over soon.

From what I gathered from the official forums today is the last day of the old world. I understand what you're saying though. I actually enjoyed the ghoul invasion before WotLK more.

[Mr. Ray]

I'm thinking about returning to this game after Christmas. I have two 80 (Shaman and a Warrior) and a 65 Paladin. I was thinking about making the pally my mane. So what are your opinions about Paladins in Cata?

Edit: Dyslexia

[Jennifer Rose]

From what I gathered from the official forums today is the last day of the old world.

Yes, that seems like it. http://www.gamearena.com.au/news/read.php/5089622?latest=1 Time to run around enjoying Azeroth before everything goes up in smoke tonight.

[Rhi Edwards]

I'm thinking about returning to this game after Christmas. I have two 80 (Shaman and a Warrior) and a 65 Paladin. I was thinking about making the pally my mane. So what are your opinions about Paladins in Cata?

Edit: Dyslexia

I really like my Pally, he's only 59, so if you got yours to 65 you might as well level him. What spec is he?

Yes, that seems like it. http://www.gamearena.com.au/news/read.php/5089622?latest=1 Time to run around enjoying Azeroth before everything goes up in smoke tonight.

I find it kind of hard to believe that Blizz would allow people to play the new race-class combination without buying Cataclysm. I'm glad they are (if they are) letting us play the new race-class combination but it just doesn't leave as much reason to buy Cata. Buying Cata will get you what now: pass lvl.80, Worgen/Goblins and Archeology. Oh well works for me.

So what new race-class combination are you most looking forward to? I want to make a Dwarven Shaman and Night Elf Mage.

[Donald Richards]

I find it kind of hard to believe that Blizz would allow people to play the new race-class combination without buying Cataclysm. I'm glad they are (if they are) letting us play the new race-class combination but it just doesn't leave as much reason to buy Cata. Buying Cata will get you what now: pass lvl.80, Worgen/Goblins and Archeology. Oh well works for me.

So what new race-class combination are you most looking forward to? I want to make a Dwarven Shaman and Night Elf Mage.

What about access to the new areas? Like Vashj'ir and Mount Hyjal.

[casey macmillan]

What about access to the new areas? Like Vashj'ir and Mount Hyjal.

are those lvl. 81-85 zones? I meant pass lvl.80 and pass lvl. 80 zones

I got a question, mostly directed to those who have play Horde and Alliance: Have anyone noticed that Gnomes in dungeons are the either the smartest and most helpful or the most snob-ish, annoying players ever? When I'm in a dungeon and were lost, we're never lost for long if theres a gnome in the party, wondering if there is any kind of weapon or armor that is for your class? Just ask the gnome. However they can be the first to complain if someone gets lost or isn't perfect, the Gnome is the first to complain and to ninja items. People I've been in parties with have noticed this too, have you guy noticed? And also to the Horde players, is there a Horde equivalent to Gnomes in parties?

[Laura Shipley]

I haven't kept up with the new stuff at all - and now people are saying that Azeroth is going bye bye tomorrow and I'm kind of worried.

Will these stupid city raids be ending, at least?

[KiiSsez jdgaf Benzler]

So what are your opinions about Paladins in Cata?

Paladins seem divided over the new combo point - sorry, holy power - system. Some like and feel it makes the class less boring to play, others feel like their class is now a bit gimped and are unhappy about it. If you like the playstyle then go for it.

I haven't kept up with the new stuff at all - and now people are saying that Azeroth is going bye bye tomorrow and I'm kind of worried.

Will these stupid city raids be ending, at least?

Yep, after the Shattering the invasion will end

I'm going to make a Forsaken Hunter. I'm not interested in the Worgens because I find their animations terrible. I'm still undecided over the Goblins, I'll have to play one first.